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هل هل كتب يوحنا قصة الزانية ؟
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ومرسل القرن الثاني والثالث وإن لم يقبل عند الشافعي بدون أن يثبت اتصاله من طريق آخر كمراسيل سعيد بن المسيب إلا أنه يقبل عندنا وعند مالك على الإطلاق , حتى قالوا إنه فوق المسند
ومرسل من دون هؤلاء يقبل عند بعض أصحابنا ويرد عند البعض , فهذا القول المرسل إلى عائشة رضي الله عنها إن كان من مراسيل القرن الثاني أو الثالث فلا شك في كونه مقبولا عندنا , وإن كان من مراسيل من دون القرن الثالث فهو أيضا مقبول على القول المختار من أصحابنا [/quote]

العزيز فانسي
لقد أجبتك على كل حال ، فقلت "وإن ثبت فإن حجتهم كما ظهر لي أن القرون الثلاثة الأولى هي القرون الفاضلة التي مدحها النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم (خير الناس قرني ثم الذين يلونهم ثم الذين يلونهم) ، وهذا طبعًا إستدلال إيماني يعتمد على تزكية النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم لهم ، وليس مستنبطًا عن طريق المنطق ، ولا يصلح - إن صلح - إلا بين المسلمين ".

وأنا أعلم بوجود هذا القول ، وإلا كيف تظهر لي حجتهم لولا ذلك؟ ، ولي كلام على هذا النقل ولكن لا طائل من ورائه وسيبعدنا كثيرًا ، فلذلك أكتفي بإجابتي على سؤالك بما قلته سابقًا ((وإن ثبت فإن حجتهم كما ظهر لي أن القرون الثلاثة الأولى هي القرون الفاضلة.... )) وبه الجواب على سؤلك .

عزيزي فانسي
أقترح عليك أن تدخل مباشرة في استكمال ما تراه حجة على ثبوت نسبة قصة الزانية ليوحنا بن زبدي ، وإذا رأيت أنني أرفض من أدلتك ما تجد له مثيلًا بما أقرره في الإسلام فاذكره حينها .

وكذلك تأصيل القاعدة يعتمد على المنطق وإقامة البراهين عليها ، بغض النظر إن استعملتها أديان أخرى أم لم تفعل ، أما ما أراك الآن تفعله فهو أنك تريد أن تستخرج القاعدة من مفاهيم المسلمين وأصولهم ، أو كأني أراك تريد القول مثلًا "هذه طائفة من المسلمين تقبل المرسل من القرن الثالث ، فإذن لا مانع أن نحتج بكلام مرسل لجيروم من القرن الخامس" ، فإن كان قصدك كذلك فهو غلط بيِّن ، إذ عليك أن تصحح الإستدلال أولًا ولا تعتبر قولهم من المسلمات .

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