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هل هل كتب يوحنا قصة الزانية ؟
الوعي بما كتبته في مداخلتى السابقة , و قبوله كفيلان بتفسير تلك العلامات في تاريخ الفكر الاسلامي و التى تتضارب تفاسيرها الي اليوم ان لم تنعدم

فما سبق يقدم اوضح و ابسط الحلول للغرائب من امثلة

1- تضعيف ابن معين ل ( الشافعي )
2- تضعيف محدثين ل ( ابي حنيفة ) و لو صحت ذاكرتى فقد ضعفه البخارى
3- تجهيل ( ابن حزم ) للترمذي
4- تعارض البخارى و مسلم في اعتماد بعض الرجال
5- تعارض البخارى و مسلم في اعتماد بعض الاحاديثhttp://www.nadyelfikr.net/index.php?showtopic=48851&hl=ضعيف
6- تعارض مناهج المحدثين و الفقهاء كما اظهره ( محمد الغزالي ) في كتابه الشهير
7- تعارض مناهج المحدثين والقراء مثل قضية ابن مسعود و غيرها من احاديث البخارى
8- تعارض مناهج المحدثين مع الاصوليين

* و في كل مرة تكلمت عن المحدثينفي الحالات السابقة قصدت الغلاة منهم , او المواقف المتطرفة التى اعتمدها حتى المتساهلين منهم

و من اطرف تلك المواقف تعليق الحافظ ابن حجر على انتقاد الدارقطني لاحاديث البخارى و مسلم في الحالة الاخيرة
فكتب في شرحه

Arrayذلك الطعن مبني على قواعد لبعض المحدثين ضعيفة جدا مخالفة لما عليه الجمهور من أهل الفقه والأصول وغيرهم[/quote]

و كتب النووي ايضا في شرحه على مسلم

Arrayهذا كلام الدارقطني وهذا الذي استدركه بناه على القاعدة المعروفة له ولأكثر المحدثين أنه إذا تعارض في رواية الحديث وقف ورفع أو ارسال واتصال حكموا بالوقف والارسال وهي قاعدة ضعيفة ممنوعة والصحيح طريقة الأصوليين والفقهاء والبخاري ومسلم ومحققي المحدثين[/quote]

فيظهر الامر و كأن الدارقطنى الامام الجهبذ في علل الاحاديث , من كثرة اتصاله بهذا العلم , صدق كل تلك التفاصيل الحديثية
و من تصديقه لها حكم على الاحاديث
بينما مناهج المحدثين تلك تتعارض مع الاصول التى تعى تماما نشأة هذا العلم , ما له و ما عليه

فصدّق الدارقطني ما لا يجب تصديقه

فعندما يحكم الدارقطنى بمناهج المحدثين على الحديث , يقولون له لا , بل اتبع مناهج الاصوليين !!

9- تعارض مناهج الفرق الاسلامية المختلفة

مثل قبول الشيعة للمراسيل ( هل يختلف عن قبول المالكية و الاحناف لها ؟) خلافا لفرق اخرى من السنة
اختلاف المعتزلة مع ال السنة

من وجهة نظر السنة يظهر المعتزلة مظهر ( المكابر )
بينما من اختلط او اطلع على مناهج المعتزلة و طرق تفكيرهم صح عنده ان ال السنة ( حشوية حشوية )

لكننى اهتم هنا بفكرة الاسناد
لم لم ير المعتزلة بمناهجهم العقلية الجبارة حجية تلك الاسانيد التى يراها ال السنة ؟

10 - قضية مثل قضية الغرانيق و تصحيح العلامة الحافظ ابن حجر لها

11- الخلاف بين العلامة الالباني و معاصريه بسبب تضعيف الالباني لاحاديث في الصحيحين , و بسبب تصحيحه لاحاديث ضعفها جهابذة مثل البخارى

و ليس اوضح مما كتبته في المداخلة السابقة - و اخذته من السنة ( جمع لسان ) ال الحديث انفسهم - تفسيرا لكل ما سبق و غيره


اكتفى بهذا في تلك المنطقة الرمادية
و انتقل بناءا عليها الي مناقشة الدليل الثاني في قضيتنا الاساسية

( قصة الزانية )


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