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نادي الفكر العربي / الســـــــــاحات الاختصاصيـــــة / الحوار الديني v / و إن زنى و إن سرق؟

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أخي الفاضل

لا يمكن المقارنة بين سند الأناجيل وسند روايات كتب الحديث. وقد كتب الأخ الأستاذ العميد سلسلة رائعة من المقالات عن سند الأناجيل يمكنك الرجوع لها.

أما الروايات إذا كان في سندها انقطاع رفضها علماء الحديث على الفور. بل ينظرون في رواتها فإذا وجدوا في أحدهم ضعفًا ضَعَّفوا الرواية.

لكن يبقى احتمال تغير الرواية بسبب عامل الزمن وطبيعة البشر وضعف الذاكرة.

لذلك فالقرآن الكريم هو الحكم الأول وليس العقل ثم حقائق العلم ثم العقل في إطار هذا وليس العقل منفردًا.

دعني أضرب لك مثالين للشاعرية التي تنتاب بعض الناس ويرونها عقلًا ومنطقًا لابد منه:

1- قوم يرون عدم خروج مرتكب الكبيرة المسلم المؤمن من النار لأنه فعل كل شذوذ وقتل و .... و .....

2- قوم يستكثرون المكوث الأبدي للكافر في النار وعذابها الشديد قياسًا بعمره القصير على ظهر هذه البسيطة.

فترى أن لو سرنا خلف هؤلاء لتغيرت معالم الدين.

لذلك نضع القرآن الكريم أمامنا ويدور عقلنا حيث دار كتاب الله عز وجل ونأخذ من الروايات ما يتفق مع كتاب الله ومع حقائق العلم. والروايات عمل بشري به الصواب والخطأ. فلا نرفضه كله ولا نقبله كله. وإلا لرفضنا كافة الأعمال البشرية لأنها في النهاية لابد من احتوائها على مظاهر النقص والخطأ. وهذا ظلم لأنفسنا عظيم.

ومع ذلك فالذي يدير ظهره لكتب الحديث نضع بين يديه كتاب الله حكمًا ونحاوره من خلاله هو فقط لا غير.

تحياتي لك
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و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-10-2007, 08:53 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-11-2007, 05:25 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-12-2007, 02:27 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-12-2007, 02:29 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-12-2007, 02:33 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-12-2007, 02:34 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-12-2007, 02:35 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-12-2007, 02:36 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-12-2007, 04:56 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-12-2007, 12:02 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-12-2007, 12:28 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-12-2007, 12:53 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-12-2007, 09:33 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-12-2007, 09:38 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-13-2007, 04:02 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-13-2007, 07:35 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-13-2007, 11:13 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-14-2007, 06:47 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-14-2007, 07:25 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-14-2007, 06:52 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-14-2007, 07:08 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-14-2007, 08:49 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-15-2007, 12:25 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-16-2007, 03:03 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-16-2007, 11:13 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-17-2007, 02:28 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-17-2007, 06:36 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-18-2007, 04:20 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-18-2007, 09:31 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-18-2007, 11:56 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-18-2007, 11:58 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-21-2007, 05:11 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-21-2007, 05:17 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-21-2007, 09:19 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-21-2007, 12:10 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-25-2007, 03:27 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-25-2007, 03:32 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-26-2007, 02:18 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة المعتزلي - 12-26-2007, 05:26 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة zaidgalal - 12-27-2007, 12:40 AM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة Fadie - 01-03-2008, 03:14 PM,
و إن زنى و إن سرق؟ - بواسطة THE GALILEAN - 01-14-2008, 12:39 AM,

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