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في ان العلة الاولى هي فاعل طبيعي
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عزيزي إنكي ..

لم أستوعب برهانك جيداً: كيف تثبت واقعية قضية بزوال مانع واقعيتها؟
فبديهي أن زوال المانع يعني إحتمالية الواقعية أو إحتمالية عدمها ، ولا يثبتها إطلاقا.
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عزيزي عوليس

كلامك صحيح ولكن ليس دائماً، فالمسألة معلقة بما هو الشيء الذي نبحثه.

على سبيل المثال، السد يحجز الماء عن استمرار التدفق خلال النهر، فاذا زال السد تدفق الماء، يعني السد مانع يمنع تدفق الماء، وبزوال هذا المانع يتدفق الماء، فهنا لانقول ان زوال السد يعني احتمالية تدفق الماء.

وهكذا نقول ان الطائرة تمنع المسافرين على متنها من السقوط فاذا زالت الطائرة سقط الركاب.

يعني القضية ان هناك طبع في الاشياء المادية فحينما تجري الاشياء المادية بخلافه فانه يكون بسبب قسر او مانع خارجي، فاذا زال المانع جرت الاشياء على طبعها، فمن طبع الماء انه يجري من اعلى الى اسفل، فلو خلي لوحده لجرى من اعلى الى اسفل، وهكذا اذا اثبتنا انه لايوجد مانع يمنع الماء من الجريان فان هذا يكفي لاثبات جريان الماء الحالي من اعلى الى اسفل.

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(تم إجراء آخر تعديل على هذه المشاركة: 12-26-2007, 11:11 PM بواسطة Enki.)
12-26-2007, 11:10 PM
زيارة موقع العضو عرض جميع مشاركات هذا العضو إقتباس هذه الرسالة في الرد
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في ان العلة الاولى هي فاعل طبيعي - بواسطة fkr - 12-19-2007, 01:10 AM,
في ان العلة الاولى هي فاعل طبيعي - بواسطة Enki - 12-26-2007, 11:10 PM

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