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[quote] عبد الرحمن ويصا كتب/كتبت

من خلال دراستى المتواضعة للكتاب المقدس والتى كان غرضها معرفة طبيعة وشخصية السيد المسيح علية السلام اكثر وذلك لان اصل الخلاف بين المسلمين والنصارى ترتبط بشخصية المسيح عليةالسلام فنحن نقول المسيح رسول كريم انزل بالحق لهداية بنى اسرائيل والنصارى يقولون لا المسيح هو الله وليس رسول ولذلك فانى ساجعل السيد المسيح هو من يرد ويتكلم عن نفسة ومن الكتاب المقدس ذاتة[/COLOR]

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1- سيدى المسيح ما هو الفرق بين الرسول والراسل للرسول ؟؟؟؟

هناك عدة حالات يابني وعليك ان تحدد :

1- الراسل انسان والمرسل انسان
2- الراسل هو الله والمرسل انسان
3- الراسل هو الله والمرسل ابنه

وفي الاشارة الى الحالة الثالثة يابني اقول :

" لكي يكرم الجميع الابن كما يكرمون الآب . من لا يكرم الابن لا يكرم الآب الذي ارسله "يوحنا 5

2- هل امتزت عن الخلق بانك بلا اب سيدى ؟؟؟

بالطبع يابني .. الم يعلمك ابويك ومرشدوك باني امتزت عن جميع البشر في بنوتي لله ...بنوتي له شهد لها ميلادي من العذراء ... وشهدت لها السماء في المعمودية ... وشهد لها الشياطين التي هربت فزعا ... وشهد لها من نالوا الشفاء على يدي ... وشهد لها اعدائي ...

وزد على هذا ، ان وبنوتي لله كانت السبب في صلبي ...

اقرأ سيرتي يابني في الانجيل علك تزداد علما ...

3- سيدى المسيح ما هى طبيعتك اانت اله ام نبى كريم كما نقول ؟؟؟؟؟

الاثنين معا يابني ...

اتعجب منك كيف رأيت نبوتي في الانجيل ولم تبصر مجدي الالهي !!

يبدوا انك ترى مايسرك وتتجاهل مايشهد ضدك ... وهذا خداع للنفس !


4- سيدى المسيح امعجزاتك تدل انك انت الله ؟؟؟

نعم يابني معجزاتي هي دليل على لاهوتي المطلق كأبن الله ، ودليل ايضا على صدق ارساليتي ونبوتي كأبن الانسان ...

فأنت تعلم ان من يدعي النبوة ولايملك قدرات معجزية فقد يكون من الانبياء المزيفين والكذبة ...

وقد اعطيت لاتباعي النعمة في صنع المعجزات بقوة الروح القدس الذي حل عليهم يوم الخمسين حيث امرتهم ان لايبرحوا اورشليم حتى ينالوا قوة من الاعالي ...

يبدوا يابني انك تجهل تماما سيرتي وتعاليمي واعمالي ، فكيف تدعي انك درست كتابي ؟!

5- اكنت تفعل المعجزات بنفسك ام الله الذى كان يعطيها لك ؟؟؟؟

لماذا تشكك في قدرتي الذاتية على فعل المعجزات ؟... الم تقرأ كلامي " كل ماللاب هو لي "؟

انت تردد كلامي لكنك لاتفهمه ولاتدركه ...

قولي "الآبُ يحبُّ الابن و قد دفع كل شيء في يده" هو دليل على ان كل قوة الله هي ملكي انا يابني !

6- سيدى المسيح ماذا كنت تفعل بعد ان يستجيب الله لك بان تفعل المعجزات ؟؟؟؟

كنت اشكر الآب الذي يستمع لي واعطاني كل ماله من مجد وقوة وكرامة ...

كنت كأبن الانسان الكامل اعبد الله ابي واصلي له واشكره واخدمه واطيعه كي اكمل كل بر وناموس وارقى بصفتي ابن الانسان الى المركز الذي لم يرتقيه انسان قبلي فأكون مستحق ان القب بحمل الله الوديع واحمل خطايا العالم ...

7- بعد ان عرفنا ان المعجزات التى تقوم بها مدفوهة اليك من الله فكلامك ايضا هكذا ام انك تتكلم من تلقاء نفسك ؟؟؟

كما ان معجزاتي هي لي ولابي فأن كلامي هو لي ولابي ايضا ، لانني انا وابي واحد في الجوهر ومايملكه ابي من مجد وقوة وعظمة هو لي انا ايضا ... اذكرك بكلامي يابني " كل ماللاب هو لي " ...

8- ماذا كنت تفعل لمن يدعوك بانك الله فكانة ينظر الى مستنكرا ويضرب لى مثال ؟؟؟

اذا كان يرى فيني اني الهه كما فعل توما عندما خر لي راكعا وقال " ربي والهي " فأني اطوبه ...

انتهت المقابلة

ملاحظة هامة جدا يرجى ان ينتبه لها القارىء ... معلومة غابت لقرون طويلة عن اذهان الناس :

اقتباس :

"السيد المسيح لم يقول مرة واحدة فى اى نص انة هو الله او ان لة طبيعتين ناسوتية ولاهوتية ولكن بعض العباد الذين ضلوا يقولون هذا وليس معهم نص واحد يقول فية المسيح ذلك

اخوكم عبد الرحمن ويصا"


ياسيد ويصا يبدوا انك مش حابب تتعلم شي جديد ومشان هيك بترجع تكرر الكلام وتسقط في نفس المطب ...

عدم تصريح المسيح بالوهيته لاينفي مطلقا كونه هو الله ... كما ان عدم الاشارة الى طبيعتي اللاهوت والناسوت في جملة واحدة لايعني البتة عدم وجودهما في شخصه...

هذا المنطق اعوج وعليك ان تتخلى عنه ولاسيما بعد ان اعطاك اخانا البابلي والمتمرد امثلة من كتابك على عدم صلاحية هذا المنطق ...

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02-14-2005, 03:13 AM
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