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العلم النظامي .... أضعف من الفوضى !!!
Arrayما سبق ليس تطورا داروينيا بل هو تكيف للبكتريا مع البيئه المحيطه [/quote]
التكيف مع المحيط هو أولى مراحل التطور فاذا اكتسب كائن صفة تكيفية تفضيلية واستطاع أن ينقل هذه الصفة عن طريق الجينات الى نسله فهذا هو التطور في أفضل صوره وهذا ما فعلته تلك البكتيريا المقاومة للمضادات حيث أصبح نسلها مقاوم للمضادات بسبب أنها تحمل جينات لمقاومة المضادات الحيوية
Arrayو هذا التكيف هو خاصيه اصيله فى تلك البكتيريا اى ان الاصل هو ان تقوم البكتريا بافراز مضادات للمضادات الحيويه و تعيش معها [/quote]
هذا الكلام خاطئ تماما لأنه ليس من طبيعة البكتيريا أن تقاوم المضادات فعندما اكتشف الكسندر فليمنج البنسلين في أربعينات القرن الماضي لم تكن هناك مقاومة للمضادات وكان البنسلين هو العلاج الأمثل لمعظم الأمراض البكتيرية أما اليوم فمعظم البكتيريا تقاوم هذا المضاد الحيوي
Arrayأى ان البكتريا لم تتطور فتصبح فيروس مثلا[/quote]
البكتيريا لن تتحول الى فيروس لأن التطور يتم باتجاه واحد ولا يعود الى الوراء لتشكيل كائنات بدائية من كائنات أرقى
Arrayإلا انه و عند حقنه بمصل الكوليرا يستطيع مقاومتها [/quote]
لعلمي لا يستخدم للكوليرا مصل لكن اذا كنت تقصد الأمصال التي تستخدم للدفتيريا والسل وشلل الأطفال وغيرها فتلك ليس لها علاقة بالجينات والتطور ولكنها تدخل في عملية تحريض الجهاز المناعي حيث تقدم أشكال مضعفة من تلك الجراثيم أو بعض أجزائها وتدعى مستضدات وذلك الى الجهاز المناعي للجسم الذي يقوم بانتاج أجسام مضادة تجول في الدم حتى اذا تعرض الجسم لجراثيم ضارية من تلك التي أعطيت أمصالها فانه يقضي عليها فالعملية ليست لها صلة بالتطور وتوريث الصفات
Arrayو عندما تحدث حالة زواج بين صينى و برازيليه فينجبا طفل يحمل صفات الصينى و البرازيليه تعد هذا تطورا يا زميل الباحث ؟[/quote]
هذا يسمى تهجين يا عزيزي ولا يسمى تطورا الانتخاب الاصطناعي يحدث مثلا عندما تزاوج شخصا أكتسب صفة جديدة عن طريق طفرة مفيدة مع شخص يحمل نفس هذه الطفرة اذا كانت الصفة متنحية حيث سينتج نسل يحمل هذه الصفة ثم مع تتالي الاجيال سيزداد نسلهما وستنتشر هذه الصفة في الحوض الجيني ومع تراكم صفات جديدة في بعض أفراد الاجيال اللاحقة ستتراكم تغيرات كبيرة
Arrayو عن طريق الانتخاب الصناعى للنباتات و لو بعد الف مليون سنه لن تحصل على نحله مثلا

يعنى انك و بالانتخاب الصناعى للنباتات و مهما كانت قوة عملية الانتخاب فتظل النتيجه محصوره دائما و ابدا فى دائرة النباتات و على فكره يا زميل هذا المثل يطعن فى نشوء جميع المخلوقات من خليه واحده[/quote]
سأرد عليك بمثل واحد فقبل أن يعرف الانسان الزراعة كان هناك القمح البري الذي يختلف في صفاته عن القمح الحالي الذي بتدخل الانسان عن طريق الانتخاب الاصطناعي حصلنا على القمح الحالي الذي له صفات جديدة مميزة
ان هدف الانتخاب الاصطناعي ليس تشكيل أنواع جديدة ولكن تشكيل سلالات لها ناتج اقتصادي مهم
أما تشكيل أنواع جديدة فهذا يحتاج الى فترات زمنية كبيرة تتجاوز عمر عدة أجيال من بني الانسان
Arrayلو قمت بعملية إنتخاب صناعى للشمبانزى و تكون عملية الانتخاب على اعلى مستوى

و تستمر تلك العمليه تلاتيه مليون سنه

هل ينتج عنها إنسان [/quote]
لن ينتج عنه انسان لانه ببساطة قد سلك خط تطوري آخر خاص به ليس بالضرورة أن يمر بمرحلة الانسان لكنه لو عاش ( ولم ينقرض ) ملايين السنين سينتج حيوان آخر سيظل يشبه الشمبانزي بصفات كثيرة وسيختلف عنه بصفات قليلة وقد يفشل تطور الشمبانزي وينقرض
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