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4- سيدى المسيح امعجزاتك تدل انك انت الله ؟؟؟

(( الحق الحق أقول لكم : من يؤمن بي فالاعمال التي أنا أعملها يعملها هو أيضاً ويعمل أعظم منها )) [ يوحنا 14 : 12 ]
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أدعاء آخر يظهر المزيد من التلفيق و بتر الآيات لغرض معين , هل أطمع أن تقرأ معي كامل الآيات
التي جاءت فيها هذه الآيات المباركة .

يوحنا 14 : 8قَالَ لَهُ فِيلُبُّسُ: «يَا سَيِّدُ أَرِنَا الآبَ وَكَفَانَا». 9قَالَ لَهُ يَسُوعُ: «أَنَا مَعَكُمْ زَمَاناً هَذِهِ مُدَّتُهُ وَلَمْ تَعْرِفْنِي يَا فِيلُبُّسُ! اَلَّذِي رَآنِي فَقَدْ رَأَى الآبَ فَكَيْفَ تَقُولُ أَنْتَ أَرِنَا الآبَ؟ 10أَلَسْتَ تُؤْمِنُ أَنِّي أَنَا فِي الآبِ وَالآبَ فِيَّ؟ الْكلاَمُ الَّذِي أُكَلِّمُكُمْ بِهِ لَسْتُ أَتَكَلَّمُ بِهِ مِنْ نَفْسِي لَكِنَّ الآبَ الْحَالَّ فِيَّ هُوَ يَعْمَلُ الأَعْمَالَ. 11صَدِّقُونِي أَنِّي فِي الآبِ وَالآبَ فِيَّ وَإِلاَّ فَصَدِّقُونِي لِسَبَبِ الأَعْمَالِ نَفْسِهَا. 12اَلْحَقَّ الْحَقَّ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ: مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِي فَالأَعْمَالُ الَّتِي أَنَا أَعْمَلُهَا يَعْمَلُهَا هُوَ أَيْضاً وَيَعْمَلُ أَعْظَمَ مِنْهَا لأَنِّي مَاضٍ إِلَى أَبِي. 13وَمَهْمَا سَأَلْتُمْ بِاسْمِي فَذَلِكَ أَفْعَلُهُ لِيَتَمَجَّدَ الآبُ بِالاِبْنِ. 14إِنْ سَأَلْتُمْ شَيْئاً بِاسْمِي فَإِنِّي أَفْعَلُهُ.

أولا : بداية الآيات يتحدث فيها السيد المسيح عن اتحاده بالآب و انه و الآب واحد في اللاهوت و الذات و الجوهر
و ينفي فيها أدعاءك حيث يذكر ان الأعمال التي يعملها هي الدليل على ألوهيته و اتحاده بالآب
ألم تقرأ الآتي :

الْكلاَمُ الَّذِي أُكَلِّمُكُمْ بِهِ لَسْتُ أَتَكَلَّمُ بِهِ مِنْ نَفْسِي لَكِنَّ الآبَ الْحَالَّ فِيَّ هُوَ يَعْمَلُ الأَعْمَالَ. 11صَدِّقُونِي أَنِّي فِي الآبِ وَالآبَ فِيَّ وَإِلاَّ فَصَدِّقُونِي لِسَبَبِ الأَعْمَالِ نَفْسِهَا.

ثانيا لو أكملت باقي الأعداد لفهمت قصد السيد المسيح من الكلام :

12اَلْحَقَّ الْحَقَّ أَقُولُ لَكُمْ: مَنْ يُؤْمِنُ بِي فَالأَعْمَالُ الَّتِي أَنَا أَعْمَلُهَا يَعْمَلُهَا هُوَ أَيْضاً وَيَعْمَلُ أَعْظَمَ مِنْهَا لأَنِّي مَاضٍ إِلَى أَبِي. 13وَمَهْمَا سَأَلْتُمْ بِاسْمِي فَذَلِكَ أَفْعَلُهُ لِيَتَمَجَّدَ الآبُ بِالاِبْنِ

السيد المسيح يؤكد أنه بذهابه و رجوعه الى الآب سيعطي المؤمنون به الروح القدس و أن كل الأعمال
التي عملها سيعملها مرة اخرى بل و اعظم منها على يد المؤمنين به .

راجع الآيات جيدا تجد انه يقول : 13وَمَهْمَا سَأَلْتُمْ بِاسْمِي فَذَلِكَ أَفْعَلُهُ لِيَتَمَجَّدَ الآبُ بِالاِبْنِ

أي ان كافة الأعمال ( الأعظم ) التي سيفعلها المؤمنون به لن يفعلوها من ذاتهم بل سيفعلها
هو نفسه على يديهم ليتمجد الآب بالابن .

راجع من فضلك كامل الآيات دون عرضها مبتورة .

أقتباس :
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5- اكنت تفعل المعجزات بنفسك ام الله الذى كان يعطيها لك ؟؟؟؟
إنجيل يوحنا [ 4 : 35 ] :
(( الآبُ يحبُّ الابن و قد دفع كل شيء في يده )) .
(( أنا لا أقدر أن أفعل من نفسي شيئا. كما أسمع أدين و دينونتي عادلة لأني لا أطلب مشيئتي بل مشيئة الآب الذي أرسلني )).
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كالعادة , النقطة التي تغيب دائما عن أحبائنا المسلمين هي نقطة أن السيد المسيح
جاء في صورة عبد بعد أن أخلى ذاته و هو في كافة العبارات التي يسلم فيها مشيئته
للآب يتحدث فيها من واقع جانبه الانساني
( الناسوت ) .

وراجع من فضلك الآتي :

فيلبي 2 : 5فَلْيَكُنْ فِيكُمْ هَذَا الْفِكْرُ الَّذِي فِي الْمَسِيحِ يَسُوعَ أَيْضاً: 6الَّذِي إِذْ كَانَ فِي صُورَةِ اللهِ، لَمْ يَحْسِبْ خُلْسَةً أَنْ يَكُونَ مُعَادِلاً لِلَّهِ. 7لَكِنَّهُ أَخْلَى نَفْسَهُ، آخِذاً صُورَةَ عَبْدٍ، صَائِراً فِي شِبْهِ النَّاسِ. 8وَإِذْ وُجِدَ فِي الْهَيْئَةِ كَإِنْسَانٍ، وَضَعَ نَفْسَهُ وَأَطَاعَ حَتَّى الْمَوْتَ مَوْتَ الصَّلِيبِ.

هنا الرسول بولس يؤكد على المثال الذي أعطاه لنا السيد المسيح في الطاعة
لأنه رغم أتحاده بالآب لكنه أخذ صورة عبد و سلم مشيئته ( كأنسان ) لمشيئة
الآب المتحد بلاهوته ( الابن ) .


أقتباس :
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6- سيدى المسيح ماذا كنت تفعل بعد ان يستجيب الله لك بان تفعل المعجزات ؟؟؟؟

(( وَرَفَعَ يَسُوع عَيْنَيْهِ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ وَقَالَ: «أَيُّهَا الآبُ ، أَشْكُرُكَ لأَنَّكَ سَمِعْتَ لِي ، وَقَدْ عَلِمْتُ أَنَّكَ دَوْماً تَسْمَعُ لِي. وَلكِنِّي قُلْتُ هَذَا لأَجْلِ الْجَمْعِ الْوَاقِفِ حَوْلِي لِيُؤْمِنُوا أَنَّكَ أَنْتَ أَرْسَلْتَنِي ))

(( وَأَمَرَ الْجُمُوعَ أَنْ يَجْلِسُوا عَلَى الْعُشْبِ. ثُمَّ أَخَذَ الأَرْغِفَةَ الْخَمْسَةَ وَالسَّمَكَتَيْنِ، وَرَفَعَ نَظَرَهُ إِلَى السَّمَاءِ، وَبَارَكَ وَكَسَّرَ الأَرْغِفَةَ، وَأَعْطَاهَا لِلتَّلاَمِيذِ، فَوَزَّعُوهَا عَلَى الْجُمُوعِ. فَأَكَلَ الْجَمِيعُ وَشَبِعُوا.))
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راجع الرد السابق .

أقتباس :
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7- بعد ان عرفنا ان المعجزات التى تقوم بها مدفوهة اليك من الله فكلامك ايضا هكذا ام انك تتكلم من تلقاء نفسك ؟؟؟
(( لم أتكلم من نفسي ، لكن الأب الذي أرسلني ، هو أعطاني وصية ماذا أقول ، وبماذا أتكلم ))
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8- ماذا كنت تفعل لمن يدعوك بانك الله فكانة ينظر الى مستنكرا ويضرب لى مثال ؟؟؟
( واذ تقدم واحد منهم وقال ايها المعلم الصالح ماذا افعل لكى تكون لى الحياة الابدية قال لة يسوع ولما تدعونى صالحا فليس احد صالح الا الله)
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السيد المسيح لم ينفي عن نفسه أنه الله أما بخصوص قول السيد المسيح لماذا تدعوني صالحا ليس أحد صالح إلا الله ؟؟؟؟

فهو استفسار و ليس نفي فالسيد المسيح لم يقل
( لا تدعوني ) صالحا ليس أحدا صالحا إلا الله بل قال ( لماذا تدعوني صالحا )
فراجع الآيات جيدا و هذا الاستفسار يختلف تماما عن النفي لأن السيد المسيح يريد أن يعرف السبب الذي دفع الشاب لتسميته صالحا ؟؟؟؟

هل لأنه آمن بلا هوته أم أنه يجامله فقط فأراد بهذا الاستفسار و ليس النفي استدراك الشاب للتعبير عما بداخله .

دعني أقرب لك الفكرة عندما يناديني شخص و يقول لي ( يا حضرة الأستاذ العظيم )
فأرد عليه و أسأله ( لماذا ) تناديني بهذا اللقب ؟؟؟؟ هل أنت فعلا مقتنع أم أنك تجامل أم ربما تستهزأ ؟؟؟؟؟ و هكذا فهو تساؤل بغرض الاستدراك .
لكن لو قلت ( لا تدعوني ) هكذا يصبح كلامي نفي
و ليس أستفهام .

ولك السلام و التحية
عبد المسيح .

02-15-2005, 02:51 PM
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