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ضعف حجة التصميم في اثبات وجود اللـه

يعني ردودكم اختلفت في تفاصيلها و اتفقت على شيء واحد: ما ينطبق على الكون، لا ينطبق على صانع الكون. (بل و أضاف أحدكم كلمة "بالضرورة").

ما هو دليلكم أن ما ينطبق على الكون لا ينطبق على صانع الكون المزعوم؟ طيب أنتم تقولون ان هناك شيء ينطبق على الكون و هو أنه بحاجة الى خالق. طيب ما هو دليلكم ان الشيء ذاته لا ينطبق على الخالق نفسه؟

أعتقد أنكم ستقولون: لأننا لو طبقنا هذا الكلام على الخالق، و كان للخالق نفسه خالق، نجد أنفسنا في سلسلة لا تنتهي، و هذا محال.

هذا استنتاج خاطئ برأيي لأن منطقكم أنتم هو الذي اوصلنا الى هذا المحال. لست أنا من قال أن للكون خالق، بل أنتم. فإذا وجدتم أنفسكم في مأزق السلسلة اللانهائية، فهذا يدل على أن منطقكم أصلا (حاجة الاشياء الى خالق) هو منطق خاطئ. أما أن تقولوا بمبدأ أن الاشياء بحاجة الى خالق، و بعدها تفترضون وجود هذا الخالق، و حينها تقولون، "المبدأ لا ينطبق عند هذه النقطة،" فهذا إسمه منطق انتقائي، و المنطق الانتقائي مرفوض.

المشكلة التي تؤدي اليها حجة التصميم هي أنها تنقلنا من شيء واحد لا دليل عليه، الى شيئين لا دليل عليهما. الشيء الاول: الكون بحاجة الى خالق. لا دليل على هذا الكلام. فحاولتم منطقيا ان تثبتوا هذا الكلام بقولكم ان الاشياء المعقدة لها خالق، و لكن هذا أدى بنا الى شيء ثاني لا دليل عليه: صانع الكون ليس بحاجة الى خالق. و مرة اخرى هذا لا دليل عليه. و انما هو افتراض ثان فوق الافتراض الاول ليخرجكم من المأزق الى أدى بكم اليه الافتراض الاول.
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