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اوضحنا فيما سبق اننا ننظر الى كلام الله باعتباره وحي وامانة ووديعة من الله للبشر ...

كلام موحى به للبشر ، واليد البشرية هي عامل اساسي فيه ،اي ان هذه اليد هي التي خطته ، وعلمته ، ونقلته من جيل الى جيل ...

ولهذا لاعجب البتة من تحذير الله لليد البشرية بعدم التطاول على كلماته بالزيادة او النقصان ...

فالانسان الذي ينجرف بنزواته ويحاول ان يحرف الكتاب سينال قصاصه العاجل بالتأكيد ...

والحكم على الجاني ومعاقبته لايمكن ان يتما الا اذا كشف امره واستعلن سره ...

واذا اكتشف امره واستعلن مقصده تكون محاولته قد ابطلت وامر التحريف تم تفاديه ...

ستسالونا طبعا ، واذا لم يكتشف امره ؟

اقول ، اذا لم يكتشف امره لايكون هناك اله ولاانبياء في شعب الله !

وجود تحذير لمن يتلاعب في كلام الله لايستدل منه ان الكتاب سيحرف لامحالة ... لان الذي ينادي بهذا هو جاهل بالوحي الالهي في كتابنا العزيز وليس لديه مقدار ذرة من العلم المسيحي ...

لهذا سألت السيد عبد الرحمن قبلا ، هل هو متأكد من عدم وجود كلام في كتابي يؤكد حفظ الله لكلامه او استمرارية وحيه ؟ وطبعا لم القى جوابا !

لكني اقتبست له من آيات الكتاب مايؤكد بلامنازع ، ان كلام الله يخص اجيال عديدة

اذكروا الى الابد عهده . الكلمة التي اوصى بها الى الف جيل .( 1 اخبار 16 : 15 )

وليس من المعقول والمنطقي ان يسمح الله بتحريف كلامه ويترك البشرية عشرات القرون تسير في ضلال الى الهلاك الابدي ...

كما قلت انه وحي للازمنة الاخيرة ،

"يا ابن آدم هوذا بيت اسرائيل قائلون الرؤيا التي هو رائيها هي الى ايام كثيرة وهو متنبئ لازمنة بعيدة " ( حزقيال 12 : 24 – 27 )


"اما انت يادانيال فأخف الكلام واختم السفر الى وقت النهاية . كثيرون يتفحصونه والمعرفة تزداد" ( دانيال 12:4)

واثبتنا ان كلامه ووصاياه ثابتة مدى الدهر والابد ...

"‎اعمال يديه امانة وحق . كل وصاياه امينة 8 ثابتة مدى الدهر والابد مصنوعة بالحق والاستقامة‎" ( مزمور 111)

"منذ زمان عرفت من شهاداتك انك الى الدهر اسستها" ( مز 119 : 152 )

"رأس كلامك حق والى الدهر كل احكام عدلك" ( مز 119: 160 )

والان دعني عزيزي عبد الرحمن استخدم قاعدتك انت في الحكم كي انفي حكمك ...

انت تقول : وجود تحذير من الله يؤكد وقوع التحريف ...

انا اقول : وجود وعد من الله ، ان كلامه سيصل الى آلاف الاجيال والى زمن النهاية يؤكد ان التحريف لن يقع ...



والان الى الشطر الثاني من حجتك :

عدم وجود تحذير في القرآن لايجعله منزه عن التحريف والتلاعب كما تحاول ان تصور لنا حضرتك ، بل على العكس تماما ...

ان عدم وجود تحذير ما في القرآن من الله للبشر بعدم التعرض لكلامه هو دليل على بشرية القرآن وعدم انتمائه لله ...

ومع انه لايجوز لك ان تأتي بشهادة القرآن عن نفسه ولاحتى حكمه في غيره ... ومادام لم ينثبت لنا انتماءه الى الله يبقى كلامه بالنسبة لنا معشر المسيحييون بلاقيمة ...

لكننا سنقبل لمجرد الجدل شهادته عن نفسه " إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ لَحَافِظُونَ " ...

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