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عزيزي مسلم , خالد الأخوة و الأصدقاء الأعزاء

عزيزي خالد , كيف حالك أرجو من الله أن تكون بأفضل حال , عزيزي أنا كنت اعلم أن أحد
من الأخوة المسلمين سوف يعلق هذا التعليق لهذا لم أكتفي فقط بأيراد محاولات تشبيه الله من الكتب
الاسلامية بل من القرآن و كتب الحديث الصحيحة .

عموما كلاكما أنت و الأخ مسلم ترفضان محاولات تشبيه الله على أساس أن ليس
كمثله شئ و كما قلت لكما و لهذا كان رد مسلم الآتي :

أقتباس من مسلم :
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نعم ياعبد رب المسيح الله اثبت لنفسه الساق التي لا يشبها شئ
(( لَيْسَ كَمِثْلِهِ شَيْءٌ وَهُوَ السَّمِيعُ الْبَصِير))
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, هو فعلا ليس كمثله شئ و لكن التشبيهات
تقرب لنا بعض الشئ من أفكاره بشئ يا حبذا ان تراجعا سويا الآتي ايضا من القرآن لتروا كيف
أن القرآن أيضا أستخدم نفس أسلوب التشبيه السابق ذكره .

وَالْمَلَكُ عَلَى أَرْجَائِهَا وَيَحْمِلُ عَرْشَ رَبِّكَ فَوْقَهُمْ يَوْمَئِذٍ ثَمَانِيَةٌ (الحاقة 17).

راجع تفسير القرطبي (الجامع لأحكام القرآن)

قَالَ اِبْن عَبَّاس : ثَمَانِيَة صُفُوف مِنْ الْمَلَائِكَة لَا يَعْلَم عَدَدَهُمْ إِلَّا اللَّه . وَقَالَ اِبْن زَيْد : هُمْ ثَمَانِيَة أَمْلَاك . وَعَنْ الْحَسَن : اللَّه أَعْلَم كَمْ هُمْ , ثَمَانِيَة أَمْ ثَمَانِيَة آلَاف . وَعَنْ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أَنَّ حَمَلَة الْعَرْش الْيَوْم أَرْبَعَة فَإِذَا كَانَ يَوْم الْقِيَامَة أَيَّدَهُمْ اللَّه تَعَالَى بِأَرْبَعَةٍ آخَرِينَ فَكَانُوا ثَمَانِيَة. ذَكَرَهُ الثَّعْلَبِيّ . وَخَرَّجَهُ الْمَاوَرْدِيّ عَنْ أَبِي هُرَيْرَة قَالَ : قَالَ رَسُول اللَّه صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : يَحْمِلهُ الْيَوْمَ أَرْبَعَة وَهُمْ يَوْم الْقِيَامَة ثَمَانِيَة. وَقَالَ الْعَبَّاس بْن عَبْد الْمَلِك : هُمْ ثَمَانِيَة أَمْلَاك عَلَى صُورَة الْأَوْعَال . وَرَوَاهُ عَنْ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ . وَفِي الْحَدِيث إِنَّ لِكُلِّ مَلَك مِنْهُمْ أَرْبَعَة أَوْجُه وَجْه رَجُل وَوَجْه أَسَد وَوَجْه ثَوْر وَوَجْه نَسْر وَكُلّ وَجْه مِنْهَا يَسْأَل اللَّهَ الرِّزْقَ لِذَلِكَ الْجِنْس. وَلَمَّا أُنْشِدَ بَيْنَ يَدَيْ النَّبِيِّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ قَوْل أُمَيَّة بْن أَبِي الصَّلْت : رَجُل وَثَوْر تَحْت رِجْل يَمِينه وَالنَّسْر لِلْأُخْرَى وَلَيْث مُرْصَد وَالشَّمْس تَطْلُع كُلّ آخِر لَيْلَة حَمْرَاء يُصْبِح لَوْنهَا يَتَوَرَّد لَيْسَتْ بِطَالِعَةٍ لَهُمْ فِي رِسْلهَا إِلَّا مُعَذَّبَة وَإِلَّا تُجْلَد قَالَ النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ : صدق.



ثُمَّ دَنَا فَتَدَلَّى فَكَانَ قَابَ قَوْسَيْنِ أَوْ أَدْنَى فَأَوْحَى إِلَى عَبْدِهِ مَا أَوْحَى (النجم 8-10).


راجع تفسير الطبري (جامع البيان في تأويل القرآن)

وَقَالَ آخَرُونَ : بَلْ مَعْنَى ذَلِكَ : ثُمَّ دَنَا الرَّبّ مِنْ مُحَمَّد صَلَّى اللَّه عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فَتَدَلَّى . ذِكْرُ مَنْ قَالَ ذَلِكَ. حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْن الْأُمَوِيّ , قَالَ : ثنا أَبِي , قَالَ : ثنا مُحَمَّد بْن عَمْرو , عَنْ أَبِي سَلَمَة , عَنْ ابْن عَبَّاس { ثُمَّ دَنَا فَتَدَلَّى } قَالَ : دَنَا رَبّه فَتَدَلَّى

كيف أستخدم القرآن و المفسرين تلك التشبيهات طالما أن الله ليس كمثله شئ ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

هل يناقض القرآن نفسه أم يحاول تقريب فكرة معينة يريد توضيحها بتشبيه ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟


ثم نرى الاتي أيضا عن أيدي الله .

( وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ يَدُ اللَّهِ مَغْلُولَةٌ غُلَّتْ أَيْدِيهِمْ وَلُعِنُوا بِمَا قَالُوا بَلْ يَدَاهُ مَبْسُوطَتَانِ يُنْفِقُ كَيْفَ يَشَاءُ وَلَيَزِيدَنَّ كَثِيراً مِنْهُمْ مَا أُنْزِلَ إِلَيْكَ مِنْ رَبِّكَ طُغْيَاناً وَكُفْراً وَأَلْقَيْنَا بَيْنَهُمُ الْعَدَاوَةَ وَالْبَغْضَاءَ إِلَى يَوْمِ الْقِيَامَةِ كُلَّمَا أَوْقَدُوا نَاراً لِلْحَرْبِ أَطْفَأَهَا اللَّهُ وَيَسْعَوْنَ فِي الْأَرْضِ فَسَاداً وَاللَّهُ لا يُحِبُّ الْمُفْسِدِينَ) (المائدة:64)


( إِنَّ الَّذِينَ يُبَايِعُونَكَ إِنَّمَا يُبَايِعُونَ اللَّهَ يَدُ اللَّهِ فَوْقَ أَيْدِيهِمْ فَمَنْ نَكَثَ فَإِنَّمَا يَنْكُثُ عَلَى نَفْسِهِ وَمَنْ أَوْفَى بِمَا عَاهَدَ عَلَيْهُ اللَّهَ فَسَيُؤْتِيهِ أَجْراً عَظِيماً) (الفتح:10)

( قَالَ يَا إِبْلِيسُ مَا مَنَعَكَ أَنْ تَسْجُدَ لِمَا خَلَقْتُ بِيَدَيَّ أَسْتَكْبَرْتَ أَمْ كُنْتَ مِنَ الْعَالِينَ) (صّ:75)

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