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"جنازة القحبة" أو "ذكرى معاهدة السلام الإسرائيلية المصرية"
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"جنازة القحبة" أو "ذكرى معاهدة السلام الإسرائيلية المصرية"
الزملاء المحترمون .
يبدوا أني كلما هممت بالمرور العابر في شريط علقت به .
جيد أن يكون هناك أكثر من رأي حول كل القضايا المطروحة ،و لكن يبدوا أن الزميل طنطاوي كان يتحدث متناغما مع ايقاع الشريط السجالي و عن قضية لم أطرحها ، أتمنى أن يقرأ طنطاوي بهدوء مداخلتي كاملتين لأنه سيجد وقتها أني لا أتحدث عن غذاء الصراصير ، بل عن تقييم عملية سلمية تمثل اتفاقية السلام المصرية الإسرائيلية نموذجها الأفضل .
1- لم أفهم هل يرفض طنطاوي العملية السلمية كلها أم يرفض فقط اتفاقية السلام ، أم يرفض اشتراك الفلسطينيين في كل العملية السلمية أم فقط في بداية العملية السلمية ، و يرى أنهم لم يتأخروا و لكنهم اشتركوا في الوقت المناسب، لقد فهمت كل ذلك رغم أنه يصعب الجمع بينهم، إذا كان طنطاوي يريد عملية تحرير قومية من البحر للنهر ، أو ينتظر المهدي أو طيرا أبابيل فهذا التحليل ليس بذي صفة ولا أهمية ، أكثر من ذلك فهذا الإنتظار الميتافيزيقي هو ما يحدث الان بينما تضيع الأراضي الفلسطينية و يلام من حاز أرضه ،و يستحضر الجني ليضيع الجميع في التيه سويا .
2- لو قرأ طنطاوي مداخلتيي التي يعترض عليهما لوجد أني أنتقد التفكير الماضوي الذي يثبت عند لحظة تاريخية معينة ،و هو ما أشرت إليه كثيرا بتعبير ( العقل الأسير ) وهو العقل الذي ساد مناقشة اتفاقية السلام بعد 30 سنة ، و ينطبق عليها قول دلاديه عن آل بوربون ( عادوا .. ولم يتعلموا شيئا ولم ينسوا شيئا ) ،بل هذه العقلية الماضوية هي التي دفعتني لذكر نادرة الجني و العربي . إني لم أشارك في الشريط بسياقه السجالي و لكني فقط عرضت وجهة نظر مخالفة للخطاب التعبوي القياسي السائد منذ 30 عام ، ولو كان هذا الخطاب مجديا ما كانت نتائجه كارثية ،ولو كان الثعلب ذكيا كما يعتقد ما بيعت فراءه في كل سوق ،إني لم أطرح بدائلآ للماضي ، بل أني لم أشارك في مناقشة الإتفاقية لأني وجدتها قضية تجاوزتها الأحداث ، و لكني طرحت دفاعا عن انتقادات مجحفة ،و هدفي ليس تبرير ماحدث أو حتى مناقشته ، بل منع كارثة في سبيلها للحدوث نتيجة عدم امتلاك شجاعة شن السلام launch peace.
3- كي يكون الحوار مجديا يجب أن يقوم على دراسة و نقد نتائج أو مستتبعات consequences البدائل المطروحة ، فحتى ذكر مميزات و سلبيات أي خيار سيكون بلا معنى لو لم يكن له بديل أفضل ، ولدينا بالفعل بديل 1 وهو العملية السلمية ، و البديل 2 وهو ممارسات جبهة الصمود و التحدي ، و النتائج قاطعة الدلالة أي البدائل كان أفضل، فهناك بديل حرر الأرض ووضع أساسا لسلام مجدي للجميع ، و بديل لم يصنع شيئا بل وضعا مشينا تنتهك فيه أراضي أطرافه و تستباح سمائهم بما في ذلك العواصم و القصور الرئاسية ، حتى من يرفض العملية السلمية كخطاب ديماجوجي لإلهاء الجماهير يشارك في العملية السلمية بحماس، أي أنه يتبع خطى من يخونهم ،وهذه الإزدواجية متلازمة عربية لا تثير دهشة أحد .
4- يتحدث طنطاوي عن رفض جولدا مائير الإعتراف بالفلسطينيين ، و لكننا نتحدث عن عملية سلمية قامت بناء على نتائج حرب أكتوبر ،و بعد تغير موازين القوى في المنطقة ، و اعتراف العالم كله بوجود و حقوق الشعب الفلسطيني،وهو ما ظهر في اجتماع مينا هاوس حيث حضر الإسرائيليون بينما كان الفلسطينيون ضمن الوفود المدعوة ،يبقى أن نسأل هل عدم اعتراف الإسرائيليين بالفلسطينيين مبرر لتركهم أرضهم في يد الإسرائيليين ؟.
5- أتمنى أن يجيب أحد بأمانة هل امتناع الفلسطينيين عن دخول العملية السلمية حتى اليوم ( باستثناء مشاركات مترددة خجولة لبعض القيادات الفلسطينية لم يعد لها وجود ميداني ) بينما تملأ المستعمرات الإسرائيلية كل الضفة الغربية ، هو أفضل البدائل الممكنة، أم مشاركة قيادة فلسطينية لها التواجد الميداني الأبرز في العملية السلمية عام 1978 بينما لا تتجاوز المستعمرات الإسرائيلية شيئا يذكر ؟، و ألم يكن نكوص وتردد القيادة الفلسطينية عن الدخول في عملية سلمية تنقذ بها أرضها ،وقبولها لإبتزاز الأنظمة العربية (الثورية) جريمة في حق الأجيال القادمة ؟.
6- لو نظرنا للموقف الآن سنجد أن الدولة الفلسطينية أصبحت من الماضي ،و أن السلام تحول إلى حرب مؤجلة بينما لا يفعل الفلسطينيون شيئا سوى تخوين السادات !، ما كان يعرف بمعسكر السلام فى إسرائيل لفظ أنفاسه مع الانتفاضة الفلسطينية الثانية والعمليات الاستشهادية، ولم يبق ممن يريدون السلام إلا حفنة قليلة من الكتاب واليساريين الذين لا حول لهم ولا قوة.
7- جاء الافتتاح الإسرائيلى للوزارة بالإعلان عن وفاة اتفاق «أنابوليس» الذى اعتبره بعض العرب واحدة من الكوارث الكبرى! ، والانتصارات الإسرائيلية التى لابد من مناهضتها، فتحقق الحلم وذهبت «أنابوليس» بعد أن ذهب صانعها جورج بوش ، ومع نهاية «أنابوليس» لم يعد الفلسطينيون خارج الخط الأخضر وحدهم المهددون، بل بات أيضا الفلسطينيون داخل الخط الأخضر أو داخل إسرائيل نفسها مهددين بالطرد، والانضمام إلى صفوف اللاجئين الفلسطينيين الذين سبقوهم فى عقود سابقة.
8- الحالة هكذا خطيرة بل بالغة الخطورة لأن إسرائيل تزايدت عدوانيتها حتى قبل تشكيل الحكومة الجديدة، ويبدو أن هذا التغير لم يبدأ فقط مع العدوان على غزة، وإنما امتد إلى الدول العربية ذاتها فكان العدوان على لبنان وسوريا و أخيرا السودان أيضا من أجل ملاحقة الأسلحة القادمة من إيران إلى حماس فى غزة.
9- ما يهم فى الأمر أنه بعد ذلك لم يوجد شىء لدى العرب، ومن المرجح أنه بعد قول الدول العربية إن مبادرة السلام العربية لن تبقى طويلا على الطاولة، لن يبقى الكثير على الطاولة لكى يتم فعله ، وسوف يشعر نتنياهو بسعادة بالغة لأن أحدا ليس مهتما بحل الدولتين ولا يطالب به.
10- وفى مثل هذه الحالات ، فإن الجماعة العربية والجامعة العربية أيضا سوف تلتف لكى تطالب مصر بالقيام بالمهمة كلها ، ففى غياب أوراق عربية ذات بال، فإن مصر هى التى ستطالب بسحب السفير، وطرد السفير، وقطع العلاقات وإلغاء اتفاقية المناطق الصناعية المؤهلة، وإنهاء اتفاقية الغاز والنفط، وحتى فتح المعابر من جانبها لكى يتدفق السلاح من فوق الأرض كما كان يجرى من تحتها.
11- فإذا كان هناك من درس تعلمناه من أزمة غزة السابقة فهو أنه عندما يفلس العالم العربى، ولا توجد لديه حلول أخرى، فإنه يلتفت إلى القاهرة لكى تدفع ثمن سياسات عربية مفلسة. بينما ينشغل أشقاؤنا العرب في تخوين مصر و لعن أم السادات الزنجية السوداء .
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