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انت تسال والمسيح يجيب عليك !!!!!!
عزيزي أستشهادي المستقبل , الأخوة و الأصدقاء الأعزاء

بداية عذرا للتأخير عليك في الرد لوجود ضغوط شديدة بمحل عملي .

أقتباس :
---------------------------------------
على الله لان الله يملك كل شي وليس مسؤلا امام احد
فلو عذب الناس كلهم فهو ليس بظالم لانهم ملكه
ولان مشاعرهم وعذابهم ايضا ملكه
فهو مصدر كل شي ومالكه ولا يجوز ان نحكم ان العدالة الصارمة كما سميتها غير لا ئقة بحقه
بل هي ان اراد الله لائقة لان كل شي له كما اسلفت لك
يعني باختصار اساسك المنطقي (العدالة الصارمة)
لا يطبق على الله ولا يشكل اشكالا فكريا لدينا
--------------------------------------

و انا متفق معاك بشدة على هذا الكلام فالله فعلا يمتلك كل شئ و يستطيع أن يطبق
مبدأ العدالة المطلقة و يعذب الناس جميعا و لا لوم عليه .
العدالة الصارمة المطلقة هي صفة من صفات الله عزيزي و لا يوجد خلاف بيننا على ذلك .

أقتباس :
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كيف سيظلم الله نفسه ممكن تفهمنا ؟؟؟؟؟
--------------------------------------
و هذا عزيزي أهم سؤال في مداخلتك :

الموضوع عزيزي ببساطة ان الله يملك كل شئ ………… لا خلاف على ذلك
الله يمللك الحياة و هي هبة و عطية نادرة منه للأنسان .

عندما أعطى الله الانسان الحياة , أعطاها له شريطة ألا يفسدها بالخطية .
عندما أفسد الانسان تلك الهبة و العطية أضطر الله أن يسحبها منه و لهذا مات الانسان .

لو وهب الله الانسان الحياة من جديد بدون أن يقوم الانسان بتعويضه عن ما أخذ منه و أفسده
يظلم الله نفسه و يخل بأحدى صفاته و هي العدل المطلق .

لهذا عزيزي طلب الله من الانسان أن يقدم له ذبائح عن خطيته .

راجع من فضلك الآتي :

( وَاتْلُ عَلَيْهِمْ نَبَأَ ابْنَيْ آدَمَ بِالْحَقِّ إِذْ قَرَّبَا قُرْبَاناً فَتُقُبِّلَ مِنْ أَحَدِهِمَا وَلَمْ يُتَقَبَّلْ مِنَ الْآخَرِ قَالَ لَأَقْتُلَنَّكَ قَالَ إِنَّمَا يَتَقَبَّلُ اللَّهُ مِنَ الْمُتَّقِينَ) (المائدة:27)

راجع من فضلك تفاسير تلك الآية تجد أن أبناء آدم قدموا لله ذبائح و أحدهما قدم خروف لله قبله
و بعض المفسرين قالوا أن هذا الخروف هو نفسه الذي فدى به الله ابن ابراهيم في الآتي :

( وَفَدَيْنَاهُ بِذِبْحٍ عَظِيمٍ) (الصافات:107)

ممكن أسألك سؤال عقلاني :

1 – لماذا طلب الله من أبناء آدم أن يقدموا له قربان ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

2 – لماذا لم يطلب الله من أبراهيم أن يأخذ أبنه و يمشي بعد ان أثبت ولاءه له ؟؟؟؟
لماذا أنزل له خروف و قال له أذبحه عوضا عن أبنك و فداه بذبح عظيم ؟؟؟؟؟ كان من السهل
على الله أن يقول له : خذ أبنك و امشي أنت مبارك و مطيع .

ممكن تجاوبني على تلك الأسئلة .؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟


أقتباس :
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وهل اذا كفرنا به سنكون قد تسببنا بخسارته؟؟؟
-------------------------------------------
لا بل تسببنا في خسارتنا نحن للحياة الأبدية في حضرته .


أقتباس :
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من قال لك ان الله اذا طبق الرحمة يكون ترك العدالة
هل تزعم انك تعرف كيف يتصرف الله وكيف يسير
صفاته وارادته وكلماته
ام ان هذا من كلام رهبانكم وقساوستكم وتفسيراتهم وقياساتهم البشرية محاولة عقيمة
لتفسير افعال الله وهم غير مطالبين بذلك
-------------------------------------------
أنها من كلام الله الحقيقي في الكتاب المقدس و ليس من كلام الدجالين مدعي النبوة .


أقتباس :
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اريد ان اسالك سوالا
الرحمة والعدل ...الخ من صفات الله
هل تسير جنبا الى جنب ام ان احدها اقوى من الاخر هل وصل البشر الى مرحلة تمكنهم من الاحاطة باسرار خطيرة كهذه
---------------------------------------------

طبعا يسيران جنبا الى جنب فالله كل صفاته كاملة مطلقة .


أقتباس :
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الم يستطع الله منذ الازل ان يكيف صفاته
ام انها فرضت عليه بهذه الطريقة ؟؟؟؟؟؟
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كيف يكيف الله صفاته ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

ما هذا الكلام .

الله كامل مطلق كلي القداسة و لا يوجد أي تغيير في هذا

منتظر ردك على أسئلتي بطريقة عقلانية

ولك السلام و التحية
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03-10-2005, 11:57 AM
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