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من يسيء إلى الإسلام؟ ومن هو المجرم الحقيقي؟
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مشاركة: #59
RE: ن يسيء إلى الإسلام؟ ومن هو المجرم الحقيقي؟
اقتباس:ما دخل المسيحيين والمسيحية في هذا المقال؟

ولكني يا عزيزي لم اكن اناقش المقال من الأساس !! (وإن كنت قد بينت رأيي فيه باقتضاب) وإنما كنت اناقش فكرة وردت في تعقيبك أنت تناولت مقارنة بين اله الاسلام واله المسيحية .. وهذا كان محور مداخلتي ..

اقتباس:ما السبب في كره الملحدين الشوام للمسيحية بشكل تفوق على كل تصور؟ صراحة لاحظت هذا أكثر من مرة وتارة أستغرب وتارة أبتسم.

1- صراحة (وبصدق ولا اقصد السخرية ) لم الاحظ ذلك !! فمن هم هؤلاء (الملحدين الشوام ) ؟! ..

2 - ما معنى (كره المسيحية !! وبشكل يفوق كل تصور ) ؟؟؟ .. ترى هل نقد الفكر المسيحي يعني من وجهة نظرك (كره للمسيحية وبشكل يفوق التصور !؟ ) إذا كان الحال كذلك فهل كتاباتك التي تنقد فيها الاسلام (ومنها هذا المقال) إنما تعبر عن حالة متأزمة من (كره الاسلام وبشكل يفوق التصور ) ؟؟ ..

3 - لماذا لم نسمع نغمة (كره الملحدين الشوام للمسيحية وبشكل يفوق التصور !!) إلا عندما بدأ الملحد في نقد المسيحية !! ولم نسمع هذا الكلام عندما كنا ننقد الاسلام !؟ ..

تساؤلات .. بريئة !! ..

اقتباس:الموضوع بسيط: أنا قدمت قراءة للإسلام كما أراه وطرحت تساؤلاتي برضو كما أراها.. ولم أقل أني "مالك الحق الأوحد" على طريقة أهل الأديان أو الملحدين العرب. أنا أقدم قراءة يا عزيزي ليس إلا. محاولتي الشخصية لتفسير الظاهرة.

وهذا حقك ولم (ولا يملك أحد ) أن يحجر عليه .. وهذا ما قمت به أنا ايضا في تعقيبي السريع ..

مجرد وجهة نظر .. لك أن تأخذها .. ولك أن ترمي بها عرض الحائط ..

اقتباس:لم أتعرض للمسيحية في هذه المقالة ومع ذلك تصر أنت وغيرك هنا بإلحاح شديد على الزج بالمسيحية في موضوع لم يقرب المسيحية من الأساس!! كم هو عجيب أمركم! هب أني لست مسيحي 10 بماذا تفرق معك ما أضمره من اعتقاد أو عدم اعتقاد؟ ما المانع أن تناقش أفكاري وفي ضوء السياق الذي جاءت به فقط وتدع الملك للمالك؟

سؤال وجيه بالفعل .. وفي محله .. ولذلك فقد بينت أن نقد طروحات دينية معينة وتجاهل طروحات مشابهة في الدين الشخصي قرينة أن النقد لا يكون لوجه العلم !!! .. فمن يمتلك حساسية عقلية مرهفة تجعله يتلمس مواطن التناقض في دين معين .. ثم يقفز فوق تراكمات التناقضات في الدين الذي اختاره، بل يتمحل لها الأعذار والتبريرات الإيمانية سيُفقد نقده المصداقية العلمية المرجوة .. مجددا مجرد وجهة نظر لا غير ..

اقتباس:أنشغل حاليًا بكتابة مقالة عن أبي حيان التوحيدي وزندقته ولا أتعرض فيها للمسيحية لا من قريب ولا بعيد. فرجاء لا تأت مرة ثانية وتزج بالمسيحية في هذا المقالة أيضًا. هذه المقالة أنوي نشرها في موقع "أوان" ثم أضعها هنا في نادي الفكر بعد أن يعتمدوها في موقعهم. تصور.. لا أحد يتعامل معي يا شهاب بطريقتك وطريقة هالة وهذه الحمية الفظيعة على المسيحية..

1 - بالتوفيق في مقالك ..

2 - كما أن من حقك الكتابة فمن حقنا النقد .. وليس لك أن تشترط (قائمة سوداء !!) بالممنوعين من التعاطي النقدي مع ما تكتب !! أو أن تحدد لهم مسبقاً المسار النقدي المسموح به !!! .. اللهم إلا اذا كنت ترجو من الردود أن تكون على نمط (جزاك الله خيرا !! .. مقال رائع للرفع للفائدة !!!) ..

اقتباس:والله من وراء القصد والله المستعان على ما تصفون وقول جميل...

اللهم أرنا الحق حقاً وارزقنا اتباعه .. وارنا الباطل باطلا وارزقنا اجتنابه ..

اقول قولي هذا واستغفر الله العظيم لي ولكم فيا فوز المستغفرين ..Cool
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