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نبي اللادينية المغوار . لمن يبغضه خزي وعار : لقاء الفكر والمعرفة والأسفار مع جميلنا الختيار
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( أن الجدل والسفسطة في مسألة الروح والجسد، والحرية والجبر ، والمسؤلية والحساب ، والعقل والمخ ، سيستمران الي نهاية عمر الدينا المكتوب في الزمان )

لذا سينتهي عمر الدنيا ولم ينته الختيار من مسألة الروح وبناء عليه فلن ينتهي من أسئلة الزملاء .

ولأن موضوع الروح والعقل والإنسان حقيق وجدير بالقراءة فآمل منك صديقي الختيار أن تسمح للدكتور عبدالوهاب المسيري أن يقحم كلماته هنا حيث يقول /

فشل النموذج المادي في تفسير ظاهرة الإنسان
تؤكد العقلانيه الماديه عناصر التجانس والتكرار والكم والسبيه والآلية , ولذا فهي تتسم بمقدرة عالية نوعا على رصد حركة الأشياء ودراستها , فالعقلانية المادية تتحرك في إطار الواحدية المادية التي تخضع لها الأشياء , أما الأنسان فهو ظاهرة تتجاوز حدود الواحدية المادية . ولذا فإن سلوكه سواء في نبله أو ضعته في بطولته أو خساسته , ليس ظاهرة مادية محضة وإنما ظاهرة مركبة لأقصى حد :
1- فعقل الإنسان له مقدرات تتحدى النموذج التفسيري المادي , حتى أننا نجد عالما مثل تشومسكي ينكر تماما أن عقل الإنسان مجرد صفحة بيضاء سلبية ( وهو الافتراض الوحيد المتاح أمام الماديين ) وإنما هو عقل نشط يحوي أفكارا كامنة فطرية .
ولذا نجد أن تشومسكي يتحدث عن معجزة اللغة باعتبارها ظاهرة لا يمكن تفسيرها في إطار مادي , وإنما في إطار نموذج توليدي يفترض كمون المقدرة اللغوية في عقل الطفل , وهذا الكمون يعني أن العقل ليس مجرد المخ - مجموعة من الخلايا والأنزيمات .

وجان بياجيه يقدم رؤية توليدية لتطور الإنسان وتطور إحساسه بالزمان والمكان . وتزايد الاعتماد عى النماذج التوليدية , في مقابل النماذج التراكمية , هو دليل على تراجع النموذج المادي .

2- ثم نأتي إلى مشكلة الفكر . يدعي الماديون أن الفكر هو صورة من صور المادة أو أثر من آثارها ( فالعقل صفحة بيضاء تتراكم عليها المعطيات الحسية وتتحول إلى أفكار كلية بطريقة آلية ) . وهي مقولة قد تبدو معقولة , ولكنها تخلق من المشاكل أكثر مما تحل . والسؤال هو : لماذا يأخذ الفكر هذه الصورة بالذات ؟ ولماذا تختلف أفكار شخص عن أفكار شخص آخر يعيش في الظروف نفسها ؟ وهل الأفكار عصارات وأنزيمات تتحرك أم أنها شيء آخر ؟ وما علاقة المؤثر المادي بالإستجابة الفكرية أو العاطفية ؟
ولنأخذ فكرة مثل (السببية) . المعطيات الحسية المادية غير مترابطة ولا علاقة لها بأي كليات . ومع هذا , يدرك العقل الواقع لا كوقائع متناثرة وإنما كجزيئات تنظوي تحت كلٍ متكامل , ولا يمكن أن يتم الإدراك إلا بهذه الطريقة . ولذا نجد أن الماديين ( في عصر ما بعد الحداثة ) ينكرون تماما فكرة الكل , ويعلن نيتشه موت الإله الذي يعني في الواقع نهاية الكل .
وهجوم الماديين والطبيعيين على الكل أمر طبيعي , ففكرة الكل تذكرنا بمعجزة الإنسان الذي يتجاوز النظام الطبيعي وحركة الأنزيمات والذرات والأرقام . ومن ثم , فإنها تخلق ثنائية راديكالية تستدعي مرجعية متجاوزة للنظام الطبيعي وهي الإله . فالكل يؤكد تجاوز الإنسان , وتجاوز الإنسان يؤكد وجود الإله كمقولة تفسيرية معقولة . ولذا لابد وأن تهاجم هذه الفلسفة فكرة الكل حتى يعود الإنسان إلى الطبيعة ويستَوعب فيها . وهكذا بدأت المادية بمحاولة تحطيم خرافة الميتافيزيقا , وانتهت بالهجوم على فكرة الحقيقة ذاتها .
3- وهناك أخيرا حس الإنسان الخلقي والديني , وحسه الجمالي , وقلقه وتساؤله عن الأسئلة النهائية الكبرى , وهي أحاسيس لا يمكن تفسيرها على أساس مادي, فهو أمر أكثر صعوبة من تفسير وجود الأفكار . وكما ينتهي الفكر المادي بإنكار الفكر والكل , فهو ينكر الحس الخلقي والجمالي ويُسقط الأسئلة النهائية . فعبارات مثل القتل شر وهذه اللوحة جميلة وقلق الإنسان بخصوص مصيره في الكون لا معنى لها من منظور مادي , تماما مثل عبارة الله رحيم أو الله موجود , فكلها عبارات لا يمكن إثباتها أو دحضها من خلال المنهج العلمي المادي .

4- والفلسفات المادية تدور في إطار المرجعية المادية , ولذا فإنها ترسم صورة واحدية للإنسان , إما بإعتباره شخصية صراعية دموية قادر على خرق كل الحدود وعلى إعلاء إرادته وتوظيف قوانين الحركة لحسابه , أو باعتباره شخصية قادرة على التكيف مع الواقع والخضوع لقوانين الحركة . وهذه صورة مستقطبة غير حقيقية :
أ) فالصورة الأولى تفشل في رصد تلك الجوانب النبيلة في الإنسان مثل مقدرته على التضحية بنفسه من أجل وطنه أو من أجل أبيه و أمه ومقدرته على ضبط نفسه من أجل مثل عليا .
ب) الصورة الثانية تؤكد على أن الإنسان غير قادر على الثورة والتجاوز . وبالفعل ,يلاحَظ في العصر الحديث هيمنة نظم سياسية تسيطر عليه رؤى تكنوقراطية محافظة . ومع هذا , لم تنجح المادية تماما ف قمع الإنسان وتسويته بالأمر الواقع . فالإنسان لا يزال غير راض , قلقا إن لم يعبر قلقه عن نفسه من خلال الثورة الناضجة فهو يعبر عن القلق نفسه بأشكال مرضية .

5- المادية تفشل في تفسير إصرار الإنسان على أن يجد معنى في الكون ومركزا له , وحينما لا يجد معنى له فإنه لا يستمر في الإنتاج المادي مثل الحيوان الأعجم , وإنما يتفسخ ويصبح عدميا ويتعاطى المخدرات وينتحر ويرتكب الجرائم دون سبب مادي واضح . وقضية المعنى تزداد حدة مع تزايد إشباع الجانب المادي في الإنسان , فكأن إنسانية الإنسان لصيقة بشيء آخر غير مادي . والبحث عن المعنى قد عبر عن نفسه على هيئة فنون وعقائد . وكما يقول علي عزت بيجوفيتش : فإن ( الدين والفن مرتبطان بالإنسان منذ أن وُجد على وجه الأرض , أما العلم {المادي} فهو حديث , وفشل العلم المادي الذي يدور في إطار نماذج مادية في تفسير الإنسان وفي التحكم فيه هو دليل فشله في إدراك الظاهرة الإنسانية و إدراك أن الحلول التي يأتي بها حول ناقصة )..

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