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المسيح تجسد خصيصا ليصلب ويسفك دمه ليمحو خطايانا و يعيد طبيعتنا الى سابقتها
بسم الله و الصلاة والسلام على رسول الله

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الديانة المسيحية غير قائمة على التثليث والتوحيد، والناسوت واللاهوت.. هذه[color=Red] تسمى أسراراً.. لا يستقيم الفهم المسيحى الصحيح إلا بها..
هل فهمت الفارق؟
كيف أمن بها و فهمها المؤمن قبل أن يؤمن ؟ أرجوك قل لي .. فلا بد هناك دليل واضح استند عليه ، أين هو ؟أم أن فكرة التثليث جاءت من خارج النصرانية و أخذنا نحن نحاول ايجاد ما نسندها عليه ؟

و كيف أقتنع و أؤمن بشئ هو في الاصل سر ، كيف أقتنع بالسر و فهمه قائم على التفسيرات الفلسفية ، و التفسيرات الفلسفية هي من البشر ، اذا هي تحتمل الخطأ، لو كان هناك نصوص واضحة و أدلة دامغة من الكتاب المقدس لما قلت هذا الكلام ، لكن الحقيقة أنه لا يوجد دليل واحد و انما كلها أراء بشرية لا تستند على شئ

الله فى المسيحية .. إله واحد لا سواه..
المثلث، هى الأقانيم.. لا يوجد ثلاثة ألهة أو الله + أقنومين..
الموضوع معقد جداً، وفلسفى جداً فى وسط الغوغاء الذين يقاطعون.. مستحيل شرحة وسط من يريد أن يتكلم ويستفسر وينتقد قبل أن يفهم الأمر لنهايته..
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[size=5]طيب سؤال يا زميل ، من أين عرفته و كيف أخذته خطوة خطوة ؟ الاجابة : من الذين علموك ، و من الذي علم من علموك ؟ الاجابة: الذين علموهم ، و من الذي علم من علم الذين علموك ؟ و هكذا الى أن نصل الى المسيح عليه السلام ، و لكن المسيح عليه السلام لم يقل شيئا من ذلك أبدا ، و لم يذكر شئ فعلى أي أساس استندوا و على أي دليل أجزموا ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ و لاتنسى أن الاتفاق على اتثليث تم بعد المسيح بحوالي ثلاثة قرون ، و لو كان واضحا الى هذه الدرجة و لو تكلم به المسيح لما أخذ كل هذه المدة :?:

كيف يطالبنا الله أن نؤمن بشئ و يجعل مصيرنا مبني عليه ، و هو معقد جدا و فلسفي جدا كما تقول ، أيعقل هذا ؟ هل جاءت المسيحية لمن يدرسون الفلسفة فقط ؟



اقتباس: Mirage Guardian كتب/كتبت
بهذا المبدأ يا عزيزى، لا داعى لكى نعبد الله من أساسه..
فلا يوجد دليل يجعلنا نجزم بوجود الله 100%..
الله لا يمكن إثباته بالأدلة.. ولا يمكن نفيه بالأدلة..
[SIZE=5][color=Navy]لا أنت مخطئ يا عزيزي ، ان وجود الله له أدلة لا حصر لها و هي لا تحتاج لنظرات و تفسيرات فهي بسيطة و ليست معقدة هذا ان كنا لا نؤمن برسل و لا كتب ، و ان أمنا برسل و كتب و معجزات فبالاضافة الى العقل فان وجود الله أمر أوضح من الشمس في الكتب ، لكن و اكرر لكن ، التثليث و الاقانيم و التجسد هي التي لا وجود لدليل عليها و غير واضحة تماما، لا تخلط الامر ، فنحن متفقين على وجود الله و لكن الاختلاف في التثليث و التجسد الذي تقول أنكم جئتم به من كتابكم ، فلا تخلط الامور و تكلم من هذا المنطلق

و لا أريدك أن ترد هنا لكي لا نشتت الموضوع ، أنا سأكون من المتابعين لكلامك أنت و الاخ استشهادي في موضعكما المستقل ان شاء الله ، و دون تدخل كما تريدون لكن أجب عنها هناك


[SIZE=6]و الأن أرجو من الجميع عدم الخروج عن أصل الموضوع الذي لم نصل فيه الى أي شئ بعد ، الموضوع بخصوص أن المسيح اله و جاء خصيصا ليصلب ، و هناك استفسارات عديدة ، فهلا تكلمتم بخصوص الموضوع ؟؟؟؟[COLOR]
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