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من هو يسوع المسيح ؟

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ويؤكد انه الرب يسوع بقوله " الحي وكنت ميتا " ثم نسمع نفس الكلمة من الله الجالس على العرش فلا يمكننا الا ان نعترف باتضاع ان الرب يسوع المسيح هو الله الجالس على العرش له المجد والكرامة الى ابد الآبدين .
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سيد نيومان! أطلب من سيادتكم الفقرتين: الفقرة التي يقول فيها يسوع المسيح " الحي وكنت ميتا"، والفقرة التي يقول فيها الجالس على العرش نفس الكلمة حتى يتسنى لي أن أنظر فيهما. فقد بحثت في نسخ الكتاب المقدس المحملة على جهازي فلم أجد.

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اذا كان عرشا واحدا في السماء وهو "عرش الله والخروف" ، اذا الله هو المسيح
نعم كان الرب يسوع هو الله (يهوه)
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يعني مثلًا لو أنني استضفتك في بيتي وجلسنا سويًا على أريكة واحدة هي التي أمتلكها في غرفة الجلوس: يكون زيد هو نيومان، ونيومان هو زيد.

وقولك: "الرب يسوع هو الله (يهوه)" هو ضلالة غنوسية في رأيك السابق.

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"هؤلاء سيحاربون الخروف والخروف يغلبهم لانه رب الارباب وملك الملوك " (رؤيا 17 : 14)

وله على ثوبه (الرب يسوع ) وعلى فخذه اسم مكتوب ملك الملوك ورب الارباب ( رؤيا 19 : 16)
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لا يمكننا ان نعبد خروفًا سيد نيومان؟! لماذا يتجسد المسيح ثانية في شكل خروف؟! فإذا كان هذا رمز فكيف يجوز تشبيه الرب خالق الكون بحيوان لا قيمة له على ظهر البسيطة التي لا تمثل سوى ذرة في كون الله الواسع؟!

وَلَهُ عَلَى ثَوْبِهِ وَعَلَى فَخْذِهِ اسْمٌ مَكْتُوبٌ: «مَلِكُ الْمُلُوكِ وَرَبُّ الأَرْبَابِ». (رؤ 19: 16)

And he hath on his garment and on his thigh a name written, KINGS OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. (ASV + AVRLE + AV + BBE + Webster + KJV + MKJV)

في هذه النسخ نرى كل الكلمات محل النقاش بحرف كبير وهذا خطأ جسيم لأنهم بذلك يوحون لنا أن المسيح ملك الملوك ولكنهم في النهاية ملوك مثله، ورب الأرباب، ولكن في النهاية هم أرباب حقيقيون بالفعل. ولذلك أدركت الخطأ بعض النسخ وعدلت في الترجمة:

On his robe and on his thigh he has a name written, King of kings and Lord of lords. (ESV)
On his robe and his thigh he has a name written: "King of Kings and Lord of Lords." (ISV)

تعالوا نقرأ في تفسير Albert Barners

King of kings, and Lord of lords - As in Rev_17:5, so here, there is nothing in the original to denote that this should be distinguished, as it is, by capital letters.

ملك الملوك ورب الأرباب: كما هو في (رؤ 17: 5) كذلك هنا لا نجد شيئًا من هذا في الأصل ليدل على أنه لابد من وجود تميز هنا، كما نراه بحروف كبيرة.

أما بالنسبة للتعبير "ملك الملوك" فلم يقتصر على المسيح فقط، وإنما امتد إلى غيره وأحيانًا على لسان الرب نفسه:
عز 7:12 من ارتحشستا ملك الملوك الى عزرا الكاهن كاتب شريعة اله السماء الكامل الى آخره.
Artaxerxes king of kings to Esdras the priest, the most learned scribe of the law of the God of heaven, greeting. (DRV)

حز 26:7 لانه هكذا قال السيد الرب.هانذا اجلب على صور نبوخذراصر ملك بابل من الشمال ملك الملوك بخيل وبمركبات وبفرسان وجماعة وشعب كثير.

For thus saith the Lord God: Behold I will bring against Tyre Nabuchodonosor king of Babylon, the king of kings, from the north, with horses, and chariots, and horsemen, and companies, and much people. (DRV)

أَنْتَ أَيُّهَا الْمَلِكُ مَلِكُ مُلُوكٍ لأَنَّ إِلَهَ السَّمَاوَاتِ أَعْطَاكَ مَمْلَكَةً وَاقْتِدَاراً وَسُلْطَاناً وَفَخْراً. (دانيال 2: 37)
Thou art a king of kings: and the God of heaven hath given thee a kingdom, and strength, and power, and glory: (DRV)

أما التعبير "رب الأربابوهذا لا يعقل.

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"الى ظهور ربنا يسوع المسيح 15 الذي سيبيّنه في اوقاته المبارك العزيز الوحيد ملك الملوك ورب الارباب 16 الذي وحده له عدم الموت ساكنا في نور لا يدنى منه الذي لم يره احد من الناس ولا يقدر ان يراه الذي له الكرامة والقدرة الابدية.آمين " (تيموثاوس الاولى 6 : 14 - 16)
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For He in His own time will reveal who is the blessed and only Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords. (MKJV)

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