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من هو يسوع المسيح ؟
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من هو يسوع المسيح ؟
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اذا فالمسيح في كلامه مع اليهود في يوحنا 8  
اعلن نفسه انه الله الظاهر في الجسد باسماء :  
يهوه و الكائن
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لم يعلن المسيح عن نفسه أنه يهوه وإلا هات لي الآية التي تقول ذلك صراحة لا من خلال رأيك الخاص بك. إني انتظر منك أيها الفاضل أن تأتيني بهذه الفقرة حتى أنظر فيها.

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الاخ زيد

في كلام المسيح مع اليهود تكلم عن شيئين استدعى كلامه فيهما ان يتهمه اليهود بالتجديف ، ويطلبوا ان يرجموه حسب شريعة موسى
( طبعا فهمنا هذا من دراستنا لعقيدة اليهود ) بالرغم من انه ليس مكتوب صراحة في النص ، فانت تطلب كل شيء مكتوب صراحة ، وكان العقل الذي اعطاه لنا الله يجب ان نضعه على الرف .

ولكن المشكلة كما قلت هي طريقة التفكير الاسلامي ، الذي يوقف الاجتهاد والتفسير على فئة توفاها الله منذ زمن بعيد .

ما علينا .

نقول ان السيد المسيح تكلم عن شيئين :

1- انه كائن قبل ابراهيم
2- ان ابراهيم رأي يومه فتهلل وفرح

انت تفترض ان شرحنا لهاتين الكلمتين اعتمادا على فهم اليهود غير صحيح .

فنطلب من سيادتكم تفسير ما يلي :

1- اذا قا ل المسيح انا كائن قبل ابراهيم ، وانت تقول انه كلامي مجازي ( لان كلنا كائنين قبل ابراهيم ) ، فلماذا اراد اليهود رجمه بتهمة التجديف

2- ما هي تهمة التجديف التي تتطلب الرجم

3- كيف رأي ابراهيم يوم المسيح وتهلل وفرح
لقد ذكرت لك ما رآه ابراهيم وجعله متهللا فرحا
وما علاقة ما رآه بيوم المسيح الفادي
هل لديك تفسير آخر ، هاته وناقشنا فيه

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