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كيف لملحد ان يكره الله ويحب عليا والحسين...تأملات في الليبرالية القرمطية
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كيف لملحد ان يكره الله ويحب عليا والحسين...تأملات في الليبرالية القرمطية
أرى أن الموضوع تشعب وانحرف الى اتجاهات أخرى .. لذا أعلن انسحابي منه ولو مؤقتا ، لكن قبلا :

عزيزي شآبيب الروح..
قائمة الحب الشيعي طويلة جدا ، ونواقض هذا الحب الشيعي أيضا طويلة جدا ولا تنتهي وهي أكثر من نواقض الوضوء والطهارة ، ومن نواقض الإيمان بالله ذاته ولا أعتقد أن روحي القلقة وعقلي الصغير قادرة على استيعاب القائمتين معا ، ناهيك عن استيعاب قائمة منهما ..
لا أعتقد (( فعلا )) أن الأمر له علاقة بالحب أو الكره .. على الإطلاق ، إنما هو يتعلق بالدرجة الأولى بمفهوم السادة الشيعة لهذا الحب – أو الكره – بناءا على ما يقيسون به علاقتهم بالآخرين .. وإذا كان صحابة رسولهم خونة وكفرة ويكرهون آل البيت ، فلا أعتقد أنني أنزه عند الله وعباده من هؤلاء .. وبالتالي فلي الشرف كل الشرف أن يدرجني الإخوة الشيعة في هذه القائمة التي تكرههم :)

باعتقادي يا زميل وحسب مفهوم السادة الشيعة للحب والكره ، فإن 99% من البشرية تكره الشيعة ، و101% من البشرية تكره اليهودية حسب المفهوم اليهودي لذات الأمر.. وحتى لا تذهب بك الظنون أبعد من ذلك ، فلست أعرف في فلسفة الأديان كلها من يرى أن الكل يكرهه كالشيعة واليهود .. ولم أقرأ أبدا عن مفهوم ديني يكن للآخر كرها وحقدا دفينا كالشيعة واليهود ولأسباب أتفه من تافهة .. ولست أعرف أديانا تستجدي حقوقا مهدرة على قاعدة الحب والكره هذا كالشيعة واليهود ..

طيب ، بعيدا عن هذا .. لماذا يعتقد شآبيب الروح أنني أكره الشيعة ؟!
- تاريخيا .. تااااااااااااريخيا : لست أشترك مع السادة الشيعة في رأيهم بأحقية علي (( جدي )) بخلافة الرسول .
- لست أشترك معهم بأنهم يتبعون علي أو آل البيت لا عملا ولا اعتقاد .. تماما كما يعتقدون هم أن اليهود والنصارى ليسوا أتباع موسى وعيسى .
- أؤمن حد اليقين أن التشيع مبدأ سياسي فارسي لبس لبوس الدين .. تماما كما يعتقدون هم أن التسنن مبدأ أموي ( عربي :) ) لبس لبوس الدين .
- لا أعتقد أن معاوية قتل الحسين (( جدي )) لأسباب دينية أو مذهبية بل لأسباب سياسية سلطوية بحتة .
- بالتالي ، ليس أنا من قتل الحسين ولست ملزما بدفع الثمن الذي يطالبني به الشيعة .
- لا أؤمن بالمهدي المنتظر ، ولا بولاية الفقيه ولا بالأئمة المعصومين ولا بأن علي سيقف على باب الجنة ينظر في قلوب أتباعه فيدخل منهم الجنة من هم أنقى سريرة وأكثر إيمانا به .

هل ترى أي علاقة بين الحب والكره بمفهومهما الإنساني وبين القائمة أعلاه ؟!
إن كان نعم ، فأنت حر .. لا شأن لي بما تعتقد .. تماما كما لا أعتقد أن أحدا غير الشيعة يؤمن بها .. يعني .. سأنضم لبقية الطيف الإنساني في قائمة كارهي الشيعة :)

لكن مع ذلك أسألك ومن ذات المنطلق :
هل أنت تحب اليهود والنصارى لأنك تحب موسى وعيسى ؟ لا تقل نعم ، إلا إن كنت لا تؤمن بالقرآن  فالقرآن يكفر أتباع كلا النبيين مع أنه يطنب في وصف محاسنهما .. هذه حتى لا تدعي بأنني أكره آل البيت :lol:

غيره ، ماذا تريد ؟!
لنقل أن الأمر حب وكره وفعلا .. فاتبع معي القائمة التالية من المحبين وترجمها بمعرفتك .. وحسب مفهومك للحب والكره :
- أحب صرغون الأكادي ونبوخذ نصر الكلداني وموسى اليهودي وعيسى المسيحي وإبراهيم الحنفي وعمر ( سني أليس كذلك؟ :lol: ) وعلي والحسين الشيعيان :D ومحمد ( شيعي أم سني؟ :what: ) ومعاوية الأموي والمنصور العباسي وديجول الفرنسي وغاندي الهندي وتشافيز الفنزويلي .. وجيسيكا ألبا اللاتينية :lol:

لتفهم أو لا تفهم فأنت حر .. لا علاقة للأمر بالحب والكره الإنساني .. أساسا يا غالي وبعد تجارب طوييييلة بالحب ذاته love فإنه أغبى عاطفة إنسانية على الإطلاق وأقدرها على تغييب العقل والمنطق والتفكير .. هذا عن الحب لفتياتنا ، فكيف إذا كان الحب لكتاب التاريخ ؟!

طبعا .. لا تزال حر بما تعتقد .. هذا شأنك .

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