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Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
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Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
The Times
October 05, 2005
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent


THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not actually true.

The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the Bible.

“We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.

The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the religious Right, in particular in the US.

Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin’s theory of evolution in schools, believing “intelligent design” to be an equally plausible theory of how the world began.

But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that this country’s Catholic bishops insist cannot be “historical”. At most, they say, they may contain “historical traces”.

The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by advocating the Copernican view of the solar system. Only a century ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic scholars who adapted historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature to the Bible.

In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that it is “God’s word expressed in human language” and that proper acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human dimensions.

They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways “appropriate to changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries”.

The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say, but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in other, secular matters.”

They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its “intransigent intolerance” and to warn of “significant dangers” involved in a fundamentalist approach.

“Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation or group see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and even consider themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence against others.”

Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, “His blood be on us and on our children”, a passage used to justify centuries of anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt. Describing this passage as an example of dramatic exaggeration, the bishops say they have had “tragic consequences” in encouraging hatred and persecution. “The attitudes and language of first-century quarrels between Jews and Jewish Christians should never again be emulated in relations between Jews and Christians.”

As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as historical writing.

Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast of Christ the Lamb.

The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how many will be saved and about when the end will come.”

In their foreword to the teaching document, the two most senior Catholics of the land, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, Archbishop of Westminster, and Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrew’s and Edinburgh, explain its context.

They say people today are searching for what is worthwhile, what has real value, what can be trusted and what is really true.

The new teaching has been issued as part of the 40th anniversary celebrations of Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council document explaining the place of Scripture in revelation. In the past 40 years, Catholics have learnt more than ever before to cherish the Bible. “We have rediscovered the Bible as a precious treasure, both ancient and ever new.”

A Christian charity is sending a film about the Christmas story to every primary school in Britain after hearing of a young boy who asked his teacher why Mary and Joseph had named their baby after a swear word. The Breakout Trust raised £200,000 to make the 30-minute animated film, It’s a Boy. Steve Legg, head of the charity, said: “There are over 12 million children in the UK and only 756,000 of them go to church regularly.

That leaves a staggering number who are probably not receiving basic Christian teaching.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13...1811332,00.html
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A nice article

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I thoroughly enjoyed this article. Thanks for sharing it with us our dear brother Zyad. You are going to make me more interested in trying to find some good reading in this newspaper. Quite thrilling.
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Dear Ibrahiem
would u kindly transelat the title of this article into arabicarabic
Thanks alot
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10-07-2005, 03:28 PM
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That is how I would translate it:

الكنيسة الكاثوليكية لم تعد تقسم أو تحلف بمصداقية الكتاب المقدس.

عايز يقول إنهم زمان كانوا يحلفوا بيه و دلوقتي خلاص بطلوا حلفان و يقولوا صدقني ههههههه زي حالاتي ههههههههه

كل سنة و أنت طيب يا دكتور كاتز. (f)
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Am not an expert in the relation between different churches, but I think that this issue was adopted by the catholic church against the right Christian wing in the united states, after the suit against the pope in texas.

The main two things discussed in the article (genesis and prophecies) are the justification of the right wing christians’ opinion in education and forging policies, and here the catholic church looks as support of secularity against the domination of church over state especially as they mention an example of the bad history of church domination over science in Galileo story.

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Zyad,
I think that Ruth Gledhill is just using a journalistic style presenting a controversy in the Catholic church representing the old and the new. We all practically know that the Catholic church is re-visiting the Bible applying modern methods of literary criticism that seek to employ literary genres, study of anthropolgy and culture, etc. It is also an established fact that the Catholic Church believes in the Bible's inspiration and even inerrancy as a doctrine while affirming all these methods of study. By and large, the Catholic church as well as the majority of evangelical churches advocate the separation of Church and State as they don't want the State to tell them how to administer their business but mind their own business. I personally believe that British media likes to exalt atheism as the best answer of all over any form of loyalty to Church or tradition, and they do that in reaction to the bad history of Church in the past.

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Dear Ziyad,

اقتباس:Am not an expert in the relation between different churches, but I think that this issue was adopted by the catholic church against the right Christian wing in the united states, after the suit against the pope in Texas

No my friend, this has nothing to do with the issue of the lawsuit against the Pope.

But it has everything to do with the literal misinterpretations of various sections of the Bible, whether it may be the Old Testament or the New Testament.

The article is clear about the issue. It states that some misinterpretations have led various denominations to unrealistic and misleading attitudes towards certain political and humanitarian issues

The title of the article is very misleading and does not reflect in anyway the contents of the said article.

We do not believe that all the pre-historic events mentioned in the Bible are actually true

We know that some myths have been utilized to forward a simple religious belief

In the case of the Apocalypse of John, it is obvious that certain literal and unrealistic interpretations are the direct cause for the US right wing support of Israel and the denial of the human rights of the Palestinian People

This and other similar issues are the real cause behind the article

By the way, it is worth mentioning that the views reflected in the article are the official teachings of the Holy Bible interpreters and teachers for decades now.

This is not new at all.

With best regards, I remain

10-10-2005, 09:46 AM
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I find it very strange that all the Moslem colleagues in this Forum were very enthusiastic in discussing the translation of this article in Arabic

They even dared to bring forth some parts of it in English to compare it with the Arabic translations to prove their points

Yet, when I dared them to discuss the original article in English, they all coward back and failed to accept the challenge

All but one, dear "Katz", who came here asking for some "help" to better understand the title of the article which is not even part of the article since it is an invention of the author

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Hi Ebn elarab
i came here not to discuss the article but just asking for a third openion as u know both u and me r biased
all what concerned me is the translation of the title that we argued about
and after i ve read the article i think the translation provided by my dear Ibrahiem is quite satisfactory
"always remember this say: Oh translater...Oh trater "
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