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أهلاً بالزميل العزيز توما وأعتذر لك عن ما حدث على الماسينجر فقد فصل الماسينجر بغير إرادتى ولم أستطع إستكمال كلامنا .  

بالنسبة لهذا الموضوع فأنا أعتذر لكَ أيضاً - زميلى العزيز - عن الترجمة لسببين :

اولاً : انا لا استمع للأغانى الماجنة خاصة التى بها غزل وقبح وقلة أدب ,  واعتبرها من ( لهو الحديث ) :

ومن الناس من يشتري لهو الحديث ليضل عن سبيل الله بغير علم ويتخذها هزوا أولئك لهم عذاب مهين  

ثانياً : أنا لن أستطيع ترجمة هذه " الأغنية " التركية  نظراً لما تحتويه الأغنية من " صفاقة " ,  وتعبيرات جنسية مخلة عارية من الأدب ,  وتَغَزُّل فى العيون وو إلى اخره .  خصوصاً هذا الجزء :

Seni gidi findik kiran
Yilani deliginden cikaran
Kaderim püsküllü belam
Yakalarsam  

هنا يقول لها " يا عاريتى naked "  فماذا بعد ذلك ؟

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اقتباس:بالنسبة لرفض أتماكا ، فهو غير مقبول أبدا .  

أنت ترفض اعتمادا على هذه الآية :  
" ومن الناس من يشتري لهو الحديث ليضل عن سبيل الله بغير علم ويتخذها هزوا أولئك لهم عذاب مهين "

فإذا افترضنا معك أن "لهو الحديث " هو الأغاني . فإن الآية لم تتحدث عن " لهو الحديث " بإطلاق ، بل تحدثت عن من يشتري هذا اللهو " ليضل عن سبيل الله " . إذن هي مقيدة . ولا نظن أن سماع أغنية ماجنة أمر يضل عن سبيل الله .. كما لا أظن أن ترجمتها كذلك .  


هذا أمر ، الأمر الآخر : قال ابن قتيبة في عيون الأخبار : " أسماء الأعضاء لا تؤثم " ، وسأنقل لك النص وفيه إجابات وافية عن قضايا كثيرة غير الكلام الفاحش - منها استخدام العامية وغيرها :  

"ولم أر صوابا أن يكون كتابي هذا وقفا على طالب الدنيا دون طالب الآخرة، ولا على خواص الناس دون عوامهم، ولا على ملوكهم دون سوقتهم، فوفيت كل فريق منهم قسمه، ووفرت عليه سهمه. وأودعته طُرفا من محاسن كلام الزهاد في الدنيا وذكر فجائعها والزوال والانتقال، وما يتلاقون به إذا اجتمعوا ويتكاتبون به، إذا افترقوا، في المواعظ والزهـد والصبر والتقوى واليقين وأشباه ذلك، لعل الله يعطف به صادقا، ويأطِـر على التوبة متجانفا، ويردع ظالما، ويلين برقائقه قسوة القلوب. ولم أُخْـلِـه مع ذلك من نادرة طريفة وفطنة لطيفة وكلمة معجبة وأخرى مضحكة، لئلا يخرج عن الكتاب مذهب سلكه السالكون، وعروض أخذ فيها القائلون، ولأروّح بذلك عن القارئ من كد الجد وإتعاب الحق، فإن الأذن مجَّاجة وللنفس حَـمْضَةٌ، والمزْح إذ كان حقا، أو مقاربا، ولأحايينه وأوقاته وأسبابٌ أوجبته، ليس من القبيح ولا من المنكر ولا من الكبائر ولا من الصغائر إن شاء الله.

وسينتهي بك كتابنا هذا إلى باب المِزاح والفكاهة وما روى عن الأشراف والأئمة فيهما، فإذا مر بك أيها المتزمت حديث تستخفه أو تستحسنه أو تعجب منه أو تضحك له فاعرف المذهب فيه وما أردنا به.

واعلم أنك إن كنت مستغنيا عنه بتنسكك فإن غيرك ممن يترخص فيما تشددت فيه محتاج إليه. وإن الكتاب لم يعمل لك دون غيرك فيُهيّأ على ظاهر محبتك. ولو وقع فيه توقى المتزمتين لذهب شطر بـهائه وشطر مائه، ولأعرض عنه من أحببنا أن يقبل إليه معك.

وإنما مثل هذا الكتاب مثل المائدة تختلف فيها مذاقات الطعوم لاختلاف شهوات الآكلين: وإذا مر بك حديث فيه إفصاح بذكر عورة أو فرج أو وصف فاحشة فلا يحملنك الخشوع أو التخاشع على أن تُصعّر خدك وتعرض بوجهك فإن أسماء الأعضاء لا تُؤْثِم، وإنما المأثم في شتم الأعراض، وقول الزور والكذب، وأكل لحوم الناس بالغيب. قـال رسـول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم: "مَنْ تَعَزَّى بعَزَاء الجاهلية فأَعِضُّوه بِهَنِ أبيه ولا تَكْنُوا". وقال أبو بكر الصديق رضي الله عنـه لـبُدَيْـل بن وَرْقاء، ـ حين قال للنبي صلى الله عليه وسلم: إن هؤلاء لو قد مَسَّهـم حَـزُّ السلاح لأسلموك ـ: "اعْضَضْ ببَظْر الَّلات، أنحن نسلمه!". وقال علي بن أبي طالب صلوات الله عليه: "من يَطُلْ أير أبيه ينتطق به". وقال الشاعر في هذا المعنى بعينه:  

فلو شاء ربي كان أير أبيكم طويلا كأير الحارث بن سَدُوس

قال الأصمعي: كان للحارث بن سدود أحد وعشرون ذكرا، وقيل للشعبي: إن هذا لا يجيء في القياس، فقال: أيْر في القياس؟ الولد ذكر. وليس هذا من شكل ما تراه في شعـر جرير والفرزدق، لأن ذلك تعبير وابتهار في الأخوات والأمهات وقذف للمحصنات الغافلات. فتفهم الأمرين وأفرق بين الجنسين، ولم أتَرَخّص لك في إرسال اللسان بالرفث على أن تجعله هِجِّيراك على كل حال وديدنك في كل مقال، بل الترخص مني فيه عند حكاية تحكيها أو رواية ترويها، تنقصها الكناية ويذهب بحلاوتـها التعريض.  

وأحببت أن تجرى في القليل من هـذا على عادة السلف الصـالح في إرسال النفس على السجية والرغبة بـها عن لِبْسَة الرياء والتصنع. ولا تستشعر أن القوم قارفوا وتنـزهت، وثلموا أديانـهم وتورعت.

وكذلك اللحن إن مر بك في حديث من النوادر فلا يذهبن عليك أنا تعمدناه وأردنا منك أن تتعمده، لأن الإعراب ربما سلب بعض الحديث حسنه وشاطر النادرة حلاوتـها، وسأمثل لك مثالا: قيل لمزيـد المديني ـ وقد أكل طعاما كَظَّه:ـ "قي". فقال: "ما أقي، أقي نقًّا ولحم جَدْى ! مرتي طالق لو وجدت هذا قيًّا لأكلته". ألا ترى أن هذه الألفاظ لو وفيت بالإعراب والهمز حقوقها لذهبت طلاوتـها ولاستبشعها سامعها وكان أحسن أحوالها أن يكافئ لطف معناها ثقل ألفاظه…".  



فإن اقتنعت .. فترجمها مشكورا ، وإن لم تقتنع ، فوالله لأقعدن لك على باب " عقائد وأديان " ولأحاورنك محاورة لم يسمع بها النادي من قبل ..  

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بالنسبة لرفض أتماكا ، فهو غير مقبول أبدا .
أنت ترفض اعتمادا على هذه الآية :
" ومن الناس من يشتري لهو الحديث ليضل عن سبيل الله بغير علم ويتخذها هزوا أولئك لهم عذاب مهين "

بسم الله والحمد لله ..

أنا لم ارفض "الترجمة" - أيها العاقل - إستناداً إلى الاية الكريمة التى ذكرت .. بل قلت :

إقتباس ATmaCA
اولاً : انا لا استمع للأغانى الماجنة خاصة التى بها غزل وقبح وقلة أدب , واعتبرها من ( لهو الحديث ) :
ومن الناس من يشتري لهو الحديث ليضل عن سبيل الله بغير علم ويتخذها هزوا أولئك لهم عذاب مهين [لقمان : 6]


هل فهمت ؟؟

أنا كنت اود ان اوضح لتوما إننى لا أستمع إلى الاغانى الماجنة إستناداً الى تلك الاية الكريمة حتى يعرف مستقبلاً إننى لست من هواة الاغانى والرقص والـ dance لان دينى يحرمها .

ولم ارفض الترجمة استناداً لتلك الاية .

بل رفضت الترجمة بسبب:

إقتباس ATmaCA
ثانياً : أنا لن أستطيع ترجمة هذه " الأغنية " التركية نظراً لما تحتويه الأغنية من " صفاقة " , وتعبيرات جنسية مخلة عارية من الأدب , وتَغَزُّل فى العيون وو إلى اخره .


هل فهمت زميلى ؟؟

وسبب رفضى ان الاغنية تحتوى على كلمات جنسية مخلة وتغزل فى النساء بطريقة ماجنة .

هل تريدنى ان أترجم كلمات ماجنة جنسية يا زميلى العاقل وتستند الى أقوال ابن قتيبة ؟؟ .. مالى انا ومال ابن قتيبة ؟؟

ألم تسمع قوله تعالى " ما يلفظ من قول إلا لديه رقيب عتيد"

ام ستقول لى كالملاحدة , ان الملكين يجهلون الانترنت ولن يكتبوا شيئاً ؟؟

ألم تسمع قوله صلى الله عليه وسلم : " أمسك عليك هذا (لسانك)" فإنه سبب لدخولك في النار .

وقال ايضاً "ليس المؤمن بطعان ولا لعان ولا فاحش ولا بذيء"

هل قوله فى الاغنية :Yilani deliginden cikaranKaderim püsküllü belamYakalarsam
" يا عاريتى naked " ليس من البذاءة؟؟

اقتباس:العاقل كتب/كتبت
فإذا افترضنا معك أن "لهو الحديث " هو الأغاني . فإن الآية لم تتحدث عن " لهو الحديث " بإطلاق ، بل تحدثت عن من يشتري هذا اللهو " ليضل عن سبيل الله " . إذن هي مقيدة . ولا نظن أن سماع أغنية ماجنة أمر يضل عن سبيل الله

كلامك هنا به خلل و تخبط شديد .. فلهو الحديث هو الأغانى كما فسره صحابة رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم .. فكيف تسلم بان لهو الحديث هو الاغانى ثم تقول ان سماع الاغانى الماجنة امر لايضل عن سبيل الله والاية تؤكد ذلك ؟؟

ستقول ان الاية "مقيدة" ..

أقول : ذكرت الاية ان من يشتريه يضل عن سبيل الله بغير علم .. فكيف عرفت حضرتك انه لا يضل والله تعالى يقول انه يضل بغير علم ؟؟

لاحظ هنا ان لهو الحديث هو كل ما يُلهي عن طاعة الله بدون فائدة ؟؟ افلا تندرج الاغانى تحت هذا البند .. بل وفى المرتبة الاولى فى اللهو بكل جدارة ؟؟

ألم تسمع قوله تعالى : ( " ياداود إنا جعلناك خليفة في الأرض فاحكم بين الناس بالحق ولا تتبع الهوى فيضلك عن سبيل الله إن الذين يضلون عن سبيل الله لهم عذاب شديد بما نسوا يوم الحساب") ؟

بالنسبة لقولك زميلى العاقل "فإذا افترضنا معك أن "لهو الحديث " هو الأغاني " .

فأقول: وهل هناك إفتراضات اخرى ؟؟ أكتاباً لشكسيبر هو قابل للإفتراضات ؟؟

قال ابن القيم رحمه الله: "ويكفي تفسير الصحابة والتابعين للهو الحديث بأنه الغناء فقد صح ذلك عن ابن عباس وابن مسعود.

قال أبو الصهباء: سألت ابن مسعود عن قوله تعالى: { ومن الناس من يشتري لهو الحديث } ، فقال: والله الذي لا إله غيره هو الغناء - يرددها ثلاث مرات -.

وصح عن ابن عمر رضي الله عنهما أيضا أنه الغناء.." (إغاثة اللهفان لابن القيم).

فما معنى قولك " فإذا افترضنا " وهل الاية فى إطار الإفتراضات والاخذ والرد؟؟!!!!

أكلام الله هذا أم كلاماً لطاغور ؟؟

[QUOTE]فإن اقتنعت .. فترجمها مشكورا ، وإن لم تقتنع ، فوالله لأقعدن لك على باب " عقائد وأديان " ولأحاورنك محاورة لم يسمع بها النادي من قبل ..
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أترجم ماذا يا زميلى . أتريدنى ان اترجم كلاماً لشخص ماجن يتغزل فى النساء وفى العيون والعرى والإباحية ؟؟

انا أعتذر طبعاً عن ترجمة مثل هذه الاغانى .

والزميل توما لا يفهم معناها - معنى الاغنية - لذلك أعتذرت له حتى لايظننى متكبر مستقعر .!

أرجو ان اكون وضحت ما أرمى إليه , وإذا اردت الحوار فى اى مسالة فأنا تحت أمرك .

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I think that Atmaca has a good point ...

but regarding the issue of listening to music and songs, is there any clear statement from the holly quran or the prohpet about prohebiting singing and listening to music?

My own openion is that as long as im doing what ive been ordered to do then im free to listen to music as long as it doesn't lead to any "Fahisha"!!!! ...what do you think?

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Since you are into english, I would recommend the following site for Music issue :

http://www.submission.org/music.html

Which says :


Music is one of the purest and most beautiful creation of God Almighty who set the tone and rhythm of every sound in the universe. Music or singing like all the creations of God, that now constitute an important part of our daily life, can be lawfully used or maliciously abused. Both music and singing are created pure, and beautiful like our fresh air and fresh water and they can be corrupted or polluted by evil-doers of every nationality, color or gender. The corruption of some music shows or songs does not make all the music or songs haram (prohibited) just like the pollution of some water or fresh air by some people will not deem all the water and air haram (prohibited).

The sincere Muslim who is following the Quran will not find in the Quran ANY PROHIBITION whatsoever OF MUSIC OR SINGING. God is very specific and His commands are very clear regarding any prohibition given in the Quran. God, the Most Merciful, NEVER prohibited music or singing in the Quran. Any prohibition of music or singing that is talked about among some Muslims has no basis in the Quran. These prohibitions are innovations made up by some of the scholars and their followers who do not shy from refusing to follow the clear commands in the Quran and instead follow man made laws and books of Hadith and Sunna that contradict the Quran, contradict simple common sense and insult the message of the prophet Muhammad. These books of Hadith and sunna were written over 200 years after the death of prophet Muhammad (See Hadith and the corruption of this great religion). The prophet Muhammad himself followed and preached ONLY the Quran. These scholars and their followers, who failed to accept God's law in the Quran, looked for different kind of laws in the interpretation of Imams (leaders), Sahaba (companions) and Tabi'in (followers). They invented their own law and claimed that "Music and singing are haram." Those who are confused or ignorant with their Quran choose to follow the interpretation of these human idols and their laws and disregard the clear laws of God in the Quran. After all we should always remember that Quran is the book that God calls COMPLETE, PERFECT and FULLY DETAILED,

In the following paragraphs, we will see what the Quran says about this issue. I will expose the false teachings of those who refused the law of God in the Quran and made their own law to prohibit Music and singing. Understanding this issue is understanding Islam (submission) and what Islam stands for. There are certain basic understanding that you should know when talking about any laws in Islam (Submission). I will talk briefly about these basics first, God willing;

(1) Quran is a COMPLETE, PERFECT AND FULLY DETAILED BOOK, (as far as this religion is concerned): See 6:19.,38 and 114; 7:52; 17:12; 11:1; 41:3; 12:111, and 16:89. Those who refuse this notion by God Almighty should not go any further. They will not see or understand anything as God promised in His book.

(2) The Prophet Muhammad, lived by, ruled by, preached and followed the Quran alone. See 5:48-50

(3) God is the ONLY source of law, 6:114. No one, including the prophet Muhammad, can prohibit what God did not, 66:1. When the Prophet Muhammad once did, God admonished him in public to remind the believers that ONLY GOD can prohibit. See 66:1 and 33:37.
Many of those diseased at heart quote verse 59:7 as a proof that the prophet Muhammad permitted and prohibited on his own. They are hoping to confuse those who are not familiar with the Quran, as this verse is talking about the spoils of war and has nothing to do with any laws or any prohibitions.

(4) In addition to reminding us repeatedly that the Quran is DETAILED, God told us that He detailed for us what has been prohibited for us, see for example 6:119. God did not need assistance from any Imams, Sahaba or Tabi'in. God did not expect or wanted the prophet Muhammad to make his own laws. The Prophet Muhammad did not bring any laws other than the Quran, but the fabricators of the books of Hadiths and Sunna did.

(5) God does not forget, 19:64. He did not forget to prohibit Music or singing and waited for someone else to do it. The prohibition of Music and singing cannot be found in the Quran because God did not prohibit them.

(6) Those who believe God in His book believe that Quran is a COMPLETE BOOK as far as Islam is concerned and it is as well regarding all the prohibition. The list of prohibitions in the Quran does not include Music or singing. When needed, prohibitions are given clear and straight forward so as to leave no doubt in the minds of the believers, See 39:28.

(7) Some people do not want to believe God in the Quran, when He tells them that He has no shortage of words. God could have used both words, music AND/OR singing or words referring directly and clearly to them, if He so chose, See 31:27 and 18:109. The TRUE BELIEVERS know that the absence of these words from the Quran is because God never prohibited them and not because God does not use them, forget them, know them or know how.

(8) The Quran teaches us that God is extremely displeased with those who prohibit anything that was not specifically prohibited in the Quran, see 16:112-116.

(9) The upholding of any prohibitions not specifically mentioned in the Quran (e.g., prohibiting Music and singing) is tantamount to idolatry (6:142-152). Such prohibitions represent some other god) besides God.

(10) God condemned innovated prohibitions in 7:32

"Say, "Who prohibited the nice things God has created for His creatures, and the good provisions?" Say," such provisions are to be enjoyed in THIS life by those who BELIEVE. Moreover, the good provisions will be exclusively theirs on the Day of resurrection." We thus explain the revelations for people who know." 7:32 (QURAN)

(11) God condemned any other Hadith than the Quran for religious laws, and called His book, the Quran, the BEST Hadith. God called on the believers to follow only His Hadith, the Quran, and so did the prophet Muhammad. See 7:185, 10:36, 31:6, 39:23, 45:6, 52:34, 68:44, 77:50, 39:29..., etc.

Now and before responding to those who claim that Music and singing are haram in Islam (Submission), let us ponder for few seconds at our universe and the way God created this world.

While we might remember that Galileo once said, "Mathematics is the language in which God wrote the universe.", it may be fair enough to say that Music has been the voice of that universe.

Any keen observer of the universe will realize that the whole universe was created with music in every corner of it. Our talking, crying, laughing, singing, yelling or screaming are nothing but music. Our heart beats, bowel sounds, breath sounds, the sound of our blood flow or even our brain waves are but music. The birds, the animals, the trees, the oceans, the wind and the clouds are all created with their own music. Music is in every corner of our universe. With music in every thing around us, it is naive to think that the One God who created all this music prohibited it. Those who claim that Music and singing are haram, lie about God and prohibit what God never did.

The human being was created and given one of the most valuable gifts, a voice box, which is in reality a music box. This voice box, or the larynx is one important instrument that allows us to communicate with each other and with other creatures around us. Our arrival and departure to and from this world are celebrated with that special music, the cry of the newborn or the cry for the departing one. The arrival of the newborn to this life is announced by his/her scream, the best music to the mother's ear. For the earlier months of the human being's life, the only way of communication is through the music that his/her voice box makes until he/she learns the more sophisticated music that is called the speech-language. It is not surprising to find out that listening to a foreign language is like listening to music with different tones. Those who prohibit music do not understand their Islam (Submission), or the basic gifts in life that God gave them.

A quick look at the life around those who condemn music and prohibit what God did not, will only expose their hypocrisy. Life around these people is full of music, a music they do not understand or appreciate, the music that God put in their life to prove to us how wrong they are.

Examples of such music around them are, the door bell, the car horn, the alarm clock, the telephone, fire alarm, the whistle of a tea pot , the computer, the radio, TV, the kids toys, the exotic birds, the lawn mower..., etc. All these are but few of the music producing instruments in our life. Those who missed the true Islam, missed what life actually means, they prohibit what God did not in His complete book, the Quran.

Now let us look at what these people use to claim that Music and singing are haram. I will specifically quote from the posting in AOL Islam BB. library with the title "Music and Singing" , posted on 9/2/96.

(1) First, it is interesting to see the inverted logic of these people. After finding no proof in the Quran to prohibit music, by their own admission, they resort to the weaker sources one after the other to try to prove what they could not find in the Quran. Those who refuse to accept the Quran as a complete book for this religion, are led by Satan into inventing all kinds of laws from sources outside the Quran.

(2) In every verse they used in an attempt to prove that music is haram, they ended by concluding that the verse does not really prohibit Music. Despite that, they never got the message that God DID NOT PROHIBIT MUSIC OR SINGING. They also failed to understand that prohibition laws ONLY COME from God. When the prophet Muhammad gave any prohibitions it was FROM THE QURAN ONLY, and was not from his own. When the prophet Muhammad once tried to prohibit on his own, God admonished him publicly, see 66:1. Here are the verses that they claim to prohibit music and singing with few comments from me;

a) Allah addresses the disbelievers of the Quraish as follows, "Do you marvel at this statement, and laugh and do not weep, while you amuse yourselves (proudly) in vanities? Rather, prostrate before Allah and worship Him." (53:59-62)

Because of the expression "amuse yourselves" these Muslims twisted the words and the logic to make a conclusion that music and singing is what is meant here. They are missing the point and the meaning that is clear to any sincere believer. The word is general and indicates that any kind of amusement that keeps you from paying your duties to God is leading you to commit a sin. It does not make it haram or prohibited. If you amuse yourself by watching Baseball while forgetting to do your Salat-prayers on time then you are committing a sin but this does not make Baseball haram. If you amuse yourself by playing games with your children while forgetting to pray on time you are committing a sin but playing with your children will not be haram. If you listen to music or singing and forget to do your prayers then you commit a sin but music does not become haram. Remember that music is like air and water, it is not haram per se, but the way it is used in certain circumstances will control its status then. I will elaborate on this later, God willing. While God did not prohibit music in this or any other verse, these group of Muslims find in human beings like sahaba, tabi'in, and later scholars of tafseer, idols, to prohibit for them what God did not. Al-Qurtubi, At-Tabari , Ibn Abbas, Al-Hasan, Mujahid, Ad-Dahhak, Ibn Jareer ..., etc. are more important to these people than God.

b) Allah SWT addresses Satan thus; "And excite any of them whom you can with your voice. Assault them with your cavalry and infantry, be a partner with them in their wealth and children, and make them promises. But Satan promises nothing but deceit" (17:64)

Using this verse as a proof of prohibition of music and singing shows only how naive and misguided are those who are running after other gods than the One God who gave them a complete book, the Quran. No intelligent human being can accept the voice here as pointing to music and singing. If those confused at heart want to use the voice here to prohibit anything, then may be they should prohibit talking and all these people should not talk because Satan does.

It is clear from this verse that there is no prohibition here. God does prohibit things by saying it without any confusion and without leaving a place for guess. They quote here Ibn Abbas, as saying "the voice mentioned in the verse refers to any form of invitation which calls to disobedience to Allah." If this form of invitation is "talking nicely" to someone to make him/her disobey Allah, this does not make "talking nicely" haram. If the invitation here is accompanied by music or singing, this does not make the music or singing haram but rather it is the invitation to disobey God in any form that is haram. They do not like what God says in the Quran, but find nothing wrong in listening to Ibn Abbas even if they do not know who is Ibn Abbas is.

c) The third verse, and the one most often referred to as evidence of the prohibition of music and singing (according to them) is found is Sura Luqmaan.

"And there are among men those who purchase idle talk in order to mislead others from Allah's path without knowledge, and those who throw ridicule upon it. For such there will be a humiliating punishment." (31:6)

Again, like the previous verse, using the expression "idle-talk" (lahwal hadiths) to condemn music and singing is clearly corrupt. It only exposes the confused minds and hearts of those who do not understand that God does not run out of words and that God controls all the languages and will not leave guess work for us to prohibit what He did not.

Idle-talk can be any form of talk and not necessarily singing and music. There is usually more idle-talk that is calling on the people to disobey God in other forms than singing and music. These should be considered first. Hadiths and Sunna books are full of fabrications and lies that should be considered as idle-talk as they contradict the Quran and the true message of our beloved prophet Muhammad.

NOW THAT QURAN DOES NOT PROHIBIT MUSIC OR SINGING, these people looked for other idols to do this for them. They refused the law of the book that God called the Best Hadith (Quran). They refused to obey God in the Quran when He told them to follow no other hadith BUT the Quran for religious law.

A look at what they claimed as hadith of the prophet will show their misguidance and confusion. Here is an example of what these people quote and claimed it to the prophet which is a clear lie. The prophet cannot deviate from the Quran.

* "The Prophet SAWS said, "There will be (at some future time) people from my
ummah (community of Muslims) who will seek to make lawful: fornication, the
wearing of silk by men), wine-drinking, and the use of musical
instruments(ma'azif). Some people will stay at the side of a mountain and
when their shepherd comes in the evening to ask them for his needs, they will
say, 'return to us tomorrow.' Then Allah will destroy them during the night
by causing the mountain to fall on them, while he changes others into apes and
swine. They will remain in such a state until the Day of
Resurrection.(related by Imam Al-Bukhari in Fat-hul Baari, graded sahih)

FIRST, God teaches us in the Quran that the Prophet Muhammad did not know the future. This will immediately expose the falsehood of this hadith and similar ones and expose the hypocrisy of those who claim to be Muslims but refuse to believe God in the Quran. God told them Muhammad did not know the future.

"Say (O Muhammad), "I have no power to benefit myself, or harm myself. Only what God wills happen to me. If I KNEW THE FUTURE, I would have increased my wealth, and no harm would have afflicted me. I am no more than a warner, and a bearer of good news for those who believe." 7:188

"Say (O Muhammad), "I am not different from other messengers, I have NO IDEA what will happen to ME OR TO YOU. I ONLY follow what is revealed to me. I am NO MORE than a profound warner." 46:9

SECOND, For the past 1400 years there have been millions who listened to music and songs without mountains falling on top of them or turning into apes and pigs. I guess we should rather be afraid that all these millions of people turning to their computers now will turn into pigs and monkeys because their computers have all kinds of music built in them. This only shows the non-sense seen rampant in these so called Hadith and Sunna books.

As I said before, God created the music in our universe like the air and water and many other provisions. We cannot prohibit the water because someone washes his dirty clothes in it and we cannot prohibit the air because someone smokes around us. Music is as pure as fresh water and fresh air. It is up to us to use it or abuse it. Music is one of the great provisions from God that we should be grateful for. We should use it and enjoy it like we enjoy all the other provisions. If you indulge in eating your favorite food or drinking your favorite juice to the point you do not have time to do all your other duties towards God, then you committing a sin. Your food and drinks would not become haram (prohibited). If you indulge in any kind of music or singing that occupy you to the point that you do not remember God or your duties towards Him, then you are committing a sin but the music itself would not become haram (prohibited). If someone sings a song encouraging corruption or misbehavior then listening to that song intentionally may be a sin but this does not make all singing haram (prohibited.) It is true that many of the song lyrics we hear these days are disturbing but this does not make music or singing haram, it makes these specific songs undesirable and should be avoided. We need to warn our children and loved ones of these bad songs and bad lyrics but we should not prohibit what God never did, prohibit music or singing. We will not stop our children from reading books, newspapers, or magazines because some one produced a pornographic book, newspaper or magazine, we will tell them and warn them about these bad books or magazines. We will never stop our children from watching TV or videos because some people produce bad movies, programs or videos. If they do, they will miss all these great programs , movies or videos that teach them to appreciate God and His creation. We will instead teach them to choose the right programs.

Those who really appreciate music and the beautiful voices that God created, are more appreciative of God's creations and closer to God than those who prohibit what God did not and see evil in every beautiful creation of God.

"Say, "Who prohibited the nice things God has created for His creatures, and the good provisions?" Say," such provisions are to be enjoyed in THIS life by those who BELIEVE. Moreover, the good provisions will be exclusively theirs on the Day of resurrection." We thus explain the revelations for people who know." 7:32 (QURAN)

MUSIC AND SINGING WERE NEVER PROHIBITED BY GOD. They are part of the most beautiful creations of God. As long as they do not call on the people or encourage them to commit sins, they are for the TRUE BELIEVERS TO ENJOY while remembering God with every beautiful note or rhythm. Those who prohibit what God never did in the Quran will be surprised on the Last Day when the messenger of God will complain to God from them, See 25:30.

Is it time yet to wake up and follow the QURAN, instead of following the man-made laws??!!



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فماذا أنت قائل ؟

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ألا نعذر بعضنا بعضاً أخي الحبيب ، وخصوصاً أن المسألة قتلها الفقهاء بحثاً قديماً وحديثاً ؟


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هذا الموقع لا يُمثل الإسلام ، ونبرأ إلى الله منه ، فوجب التحذير .

و ما هو الموقع الذي يمثل الإسلام ؟


و ما هو المقياس لاعتماد موقع بأنه يمثل الإسلام أم لا يمثله؟





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وقد قاله من هو أعظم منه ومِنّا  


و لماذا دائما نحقر من أنفسنا و نقول عن الآخرين الذين اشتغلوا بالعلوم النقلية على أنهم عظماء، بينما من اهتم بالمصدر الأساسي و استنبط منه الأحكام يعتبروا "جهلاء؟"

اقتباس: فقد قاله جماعة من الصحابة والتابعين وفحول العلماء ، فعلام الاستنكار إذن ؟

المشكلة هو خلط الثقافة بالدين.

فلا يجوز تحويل ثقافة عصر ما قبل 1400 إلى "دين"

الحلال بين و الحرام بين في كتاب الله عز و جل.





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