عندما تنتهي الحياة على وجه الأرض و تنتقل الأرواح الصالحة إلى الجنة و الأرواح الشريرة إلى .....

أين يكون المسيح عليه السلام ؟

و الروح القدس عليه السلام ؟

و الأب عزل و جل ؟

أو بعراة آخرى كيف يستمر الثالوث المقدس ( الأب و الإبن و الروح القدس ) في الآخرة

أين هو موقعهم في اليوم الآخر ؟


مع تحياتي

للإسف لن نحصل على أي الرد من النصارى

و ندعوا الإخوة المسلمين الذينهم على إطلاع بالعقيدة النصرانية الإجابة على سؤالي مع جزيل الشكر

اقتباس:عندما تنتهي الحياة على وجه الأرض و تنتقل الأرواح الصالحة إلى الجنة و الأرواح الشريرة إلى .....

أين يكون المسيح عليه السلام ؟  

و الروح القدس عليه السلام ؟

و الأب عزل و جل ؟

أو بعبارة آخرى كيف يستمر الثالوث المقدس ( الأب و الإبن و الروح القدس ) في الآخرة  

أين هو موقعهم في اليوم الآخر ؟


مع تحياتي

الآب والإبن والروح القدس هم ثالوث فى واحد .

والله الواحد هو ثالوث مقدس وجوهر واحد .

الله بأقانيمه الثلاثة فى الواحد مالئ الكل فى كل زمان وفى كل مكان منذ الأزل والى أبد الآبدين .. آميـــــن .

اى ان الله واحد وليس ثلاثة

الاب والابن والروح القدس اله واحد امين

ده قانون الايمان بتاعنا


اما عن سؤالك عن موقعه من الاعراب :

ثلاثة اقانيم (او صفات علشان تفهمها ) بجوهر واحد لا انفصال ولا تغيير

اذا كان الله موش ها يقعد فى السما مطرح ماكان يا سلامونى

عاوزه يروح فين ؟؟

يجاهد فى فلسطين؟؟

ولا يفجر نفسه فى العراق فى مجلس عزاء شيعى؟؟


على فكرة لازم تعرف من البداية

ان المسلمين والمسيحيين لا يعبدوا نفس الاله

ودى نقطة مهمة لازم تحطها ببالك

الهنا يأمرنا بحاجات الهكم بيأمركم بعكسها تماما بالقرأن

والهنا حط فى الانجيل حاجات عكس مفاهيمكم بالقرأن تماما

يعنى احنا بنعبد حاجة وانتوا بتعبدوا عكسها تماما

ده بس علشان ابسط لك الموضوع وتفهموا

عموما اقرأ كتاب محنه العقل بالاسلام وده كاتبه واحد مسلم وانت تفهم اللى بأقوله

عزيزي سلاموني , الأخوة و الأصدقاء الأعزاء

حمد للرب على سلامتك , لك فترة طويلة جدا لم تشارك .

اقتباس:  salamoni   كتب/كتبت  
 
أين يكون المسيح عليه السلام ؟

السيد المسيح ملك في ملكوته الأبدي .

اقتباس:  salamoni   كتب/كتبت  

و الروح القدس عليه السلام ؟

حال في المؤمنين أعضاء المملكة الأبدية .

اقتباس:  salamoni   كتب/كتبت  
و الأب عزل و جل ؟

مالئ الكل بلاهوته .


و لك السلام و التحية
عبد المسيح

اقتباس:  مسلمة للأبد   كتب/كتبت  

الغالبية من المسلمين تعتقد أننا والصليبيين نعبد نفس الإله  

فعلا معك حق يا مسلمة فنحن كمسيحيين نعبد
الآله واحد وحده الحقيقي محب البشر لكن انتم كمسلمون تعبدون كوكتيلا من الآلهة الوثنية و السماوية فأصل عبادتكم هي عبادة آله القمر
و راجعي الحضارة اليمنية القديمة أصل جذوركم كعرب تجدي أن آله القمر ( المقة ) كانت الآله الرئيسي لكم .

أن الكعبة كانت مخصصة لعبادة آله القمر الذي كان يعتبر رمزا للأخصاب لأن القمر يبدأ هلال و يكتمل في اليوم ال 14 ( قمر 14 ) ثم يرجع هلال
أيضا في نهاية الشهر القمري الذي يبلغ عدد أيامه 27.3 يوما ليكمل دورته حول الأرض .

لقد ظن العرب أجدادك أن آله القمر هو آله الأخصاب لأن مراحل التبويض لدى المرأة تشابه
حركة القمر فالبويضة تبدأ صغيرة و يكتمل نوها في منتصف الشهر ثم تصغر مرة أخرى الى بداية فترة الحيض التي تبلغ حوالي أربعة أيام في الشهر و هي ممائلة للفترة التي لا يظهر فيها القمر .

لهذا عبد أجدادك و رسولهم القمر و خصصوا الكعبة لعبادته و كانوا يطوفون عراة حول الكعبة للتقرب لآله الأخصاب القمري و سمح لهم رسولك ( أطهر الخلق ) بذلك حتى فتح مكة و نقض
صلح الحديبية كما تعلمين .

عندما سقط الحجر الأسود من السماء كما تسقط النيازك , ظن العرب أنه منحة من آله القمر لزيادة خصوبتهم فقدسوا الحجر الأسود و كانت النساء اللاتي يطفن عراة يمسحن فرجهن ( و لا مؤاخذة ) للتبرك به و لزيادة خصوبتهن .

أذا نظرت لشكل الحجر الأسود تجدينه موضوع في أطار يشبه فرج المرأة ( طبعا تعرفينه ) .

لهذا تضعون الهلال على جوامعكم و تعتمدون القمر في تقويماتكم لأنكم تعبدون آله القمر الوثني مع كوكتيل من بعض الآله الأخرى منها يهوه آله اسرائيل و عشتار و بعضا من مثرا و بعضا من المجوسية .

لهذا تقدسون بدايات الشهور و نصفها فأنتم تقدسون هلال رمضان و ليلة نصف شعبان , بداية
الشهر القمري لأنه علامة على بداية الأخصاب و منتصف الشهور لأنه علامة على أكتمال نمو القمر أو البويضة عند المرأة .

لهذا تطوفون حول الكعبة 7 مرات لأنها تمثل ربع الشهر القمري 7 للرجال و 7 للنساء فيكون العدد 14 مماثل لنصف الشهر القمري و أكتمال تموه .

لهذا حتى الآن يطوف الرجال بملابس الأحرام شبه العارية .

لقد عمل رسولك كوكتيلا من الآلهة و ضربه في الخلاط
mixer ليعمل خليطا مشوشا من الديانات .
حتى نقض

اقتباس:  مسلمة للأبد   كتب/كتبت

ونعوذ بالله رب العالمين أن نضل ونكون منكم  

D:D:D

فعلا أعوذ بالله من ان نعبد شهواتنا و غرائزنا فنكون كما قال الكتاب عنكم .

أَمَّا هؤُلَاءِ فَكَحَيَوَانَاتٍ غَيْرِ نَاطِقَةٍ، طَبِيعِيَّةٍ، مَوْلُودَةٍ لِلصَّيْدِ وَالْهَلَاكِ، يَفْتَرُونَ عَلَى مَا يَجْهَلُونَ، فَسَيَهْلِكُونَ فِي فَسَادِهِمْ,,, الذِينَ يَحْسِبُونَ تَنَعُّمَ يَوْمٍ لَذَّةً. أَدْنَاسٌ وَعُيُوبٌ، يَتَنَعَّمُونَ فِي غُرُورِهِمْ,,, لَهُمْ عُيُونٌ مَمْلُوَّةٌ فِسْقاً لَا تَكُفُّ عَنِ الخَطِيَّةِ، خَادِعُونَ النُّفُوسَ غَيْرَ الثَّابِتَةِ (2 بطرس 1:10-15),

يَخْدَعُونَ بِشَهَوَاتِ الجَسَدِ فِي الدَّعَارَةِ,,, يَسِيرُونَ فِي الضَّلَالِ، وَاعِدِينَ إِيَّاهُمْ بِالْحُرِّيَّةِ، وَهُمْ أَنْفُسُهُمْ عَبِيدُ الفَسَادِ. لِأَنَّ مَا انْغَلَبَ مِنْهُ أَحَدٌ فَهُوَ لَهُ مُسْتَعْبَدٌ أَيْضاً (2 بط 2:18-20),

و لك السلام و التحية
عبد المسيح

الزميله مسلمه
إقتباس
صليبي
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؟؟
تحياتي

اقتباس:  salamoni   كتب/كتبت  


و الروح القدس عليه السلام ؟

:what:

اي روح قدس تعني .. الانجيلي ام القرآني ؟

عبد رب المسيح...

بتعرف انجليزي أكيد.. فكل المسيحي شوق ولهفة للأمريكان ولغتهم


ده رد ليا في منتدى حبيبكم على سينا على أحدهم هناك.. هم أكثر منكم علما ودراسة وسعيا وراء الأخطاء.. ولكن دوما الله يقذف بالحق على الباطل فيدمغه فإذا هو زاهق

اقتباس:Dear Trojan Horse..  
sorry for being late for you..  i was busy i couldn't write here so much.. beside that i was searching for some one to translate some texts from french i needed to wrte you here  :-0  
anyway.. we were talking about the name ALLAH .. and the false claim that all nonmuslems say that we worship the moon god of ancient arabia..

Ok..
first of all .. i will devide the naswer to 3 main parts

1- simple introduction
2- Vatican reply
3- My reply


1- Simple Introduction
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There is something.. most of the attacker don't care about.. though it scientifically damage all the claims..  there is a basic rule.. and this rule says.. you cann't accuse someone with something he doesn't beleive in..

You all say ( Muslems Worship Moon God ).. you say..
and that is realy strange..  
To accuse us with that.. We muslems must say it.. we worship moon God.. and from that point you can accuse us

Simply you can say ( ancient arabs worshipped a moon god named ALLAH )

Then we will say ok.. Even though we Worship ALLAH.. but we do not Worship that false moon god, We Worship ALLAH The Creator.. The God of Moses and jesus and Mohammad !!!

it is so simple.. you can not ever accuse us with something is not at all in our religion.
you must use our script ( like what you are doing in taking off some texts about violence ) to accuse us
And there is nothing in our scripture.. that say so..
So some way or the other.. it is  some silliness..
but anyway i have to reply


2-Vatican reply
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What is comming here.. not my words.. not muslem words.. not hindu words.. not jews words
no
it is christian words.. and not just a groupe of people call them selves christians.. and it is not a anonymous organization
no
Vatican it self..

In a document issued by The Vatican Secretary for Non Christians Affairs under the title " Orientations for a Dialogue between Christians and Muslims "
before going to the subject about the name (ALLAH).. i just want to give a briefe discription to this document :

The document deeply urges all Christians to switch their attitudes towards Moslems, as it calls for disregarding the image of Moslems that Christians adopt as it says: [i]"We must clear away the 'out-dated image inherited from the past, or distorted by prejudice and slander…" .

The document even says "and 'recognize the past injustice towards the Muslims for which the West, with its Christian education, is to blame"

Under the title Emancipating ourselves from our worst prejudices  the authors address the following suggestions to Christians :"Here also, we must surrender to a deep purification of our attitude. In particular, what is meant by this are certain 'set judgements' that are all too often and too lightly made about Islam. It is essential not to cultivate in the secret of our hearts views such as these, too easily or arbitrarily arrived at, and which the sincere Muslim finds confusing."

The document also criticizes the wrong concepts adopted by Christians about the literalism and the fanaticism of Islam. It even mentions how Cardinal Koening fascinated his audience in Al Akbar Mosque when he claimed this in Public in his official lecture which he gave in Al-Azhar Islamic University in 1969. The document also asked Christians since 1967 to congratulate Moslems for Al Fetr Feast (the end of the month of fasting) which represents a sacred religious value.

Although this was followed by many encounters between Christian & Moselm Authorities, still only a few number of people knew about those important incidents that took place in the West in spite of the multiple wide spread media. Press also did not give a great importance to the official visit of Cardinal Pignedoli, the head of the Vatican Secretary for Non Christians Affairs, to his majesty King Faysal of Saudi Arabia on 24/04/1974, even French Le Monde Newspaper commented on this visit in few lines only in its issue dated 25/04/1974 in spite of the importance of the news, especially that the Cardinal delivered to The Saudi King a message from Pope Paul the 6th, motivated by his deep faith in the unity of the two Worlds, the Islamic and the Christian who worship One God.


After six month of this incident, in October 1974, the Pope officially welcomed the greatest Islamic professors of Saudi Arabia to Vatican which was an occasion to hold a seminar between Christians and Moslems about the cultural human rights in Islam. The Vatican Newspaper, Osservatore Romano, mentioned this historical Incident in its issue dated 26/10/1974, and gave it a larger space than that it gave to the comment on the conclusion of the Bishops congregation held in Rome

Then, The Ecumenical Council of Churches of Geneva and by the Lord Bishop of Strasbourg, His Grace Elchinge, welcomed the freat Islamic professors of Saudi Arabia and he invited then to pray Al Dhohr in his presence at his cathedral.


The Document mentions that :  

The open-minded attitude Pope Paul VI has towards Islam will certainly become a milestone in the relations between the two religions. He himself Mid that he was "moved by a profound belief in the unification of the Islamic and Christian worlds in the worship of a single God".  

Far too many Christians, brought up in a spirit of open hostility, are against any reflection about Islam on principle. The Vatican document notes this with regret. It is on account of this that they remain totally ignorant of what Islam is in reality, and retain notions about the Islamic Revelation which are entirely mistaken.


And so for 150 pages The Vatican document expands on the refutation of classic views held by Christians on Islam and sets out the reality


Finally, the document deals with the prejudice according to which "Islam is a hide-bound religion which keeps its followers in a kind of superannuated Middle Ages, making them unfit to adapt to the technical conquests of the modern age." It compares analogous situations observed in Christian countries and states the following: "we find,  in the traditional expansion of Muslim thought, a principle of possible evolution in civilian society ."  



I am certain that this defense of Islam by the Vatican will surprise many believers today, be they Muslims, Jews or Christians. It is a demonstration of sincerity and open-mindedness that is singularly in contrast with the attitudes inherited from the past. The number of people in the West who are aware of the new attitudes adopted by the highest authorities in the Catholic Church is however very small.



And now.. between the 150 pages of the document.. it comes across  ( ALLAH ) Subject

it says :

[u]It would seem pointless to maintain that Allâh is not really God, as do certain people in the West! The conciliar documents have put the above assertion in its proper place. There is no better way of illustrating Islamic faith in God than by quoting the following extracts from Lumen Gentium [ Lumen Gentium is the title of a document produced by the Second Vatican Council (1962-1966)]. 'The Muslims profess the faith of Abraham and worship with us the sole merciful God, who is the future judge of men on the Day of Reckoning . . .'"

Not my Words... not Muslem words..

That was Vatican Defence About islam.. and about The name ALLAH.. That Clearlily imply that ALLAH.. is GOD of Moses and jesus.. and no word in arabic to be used than ALLAH ..  


3-My reply
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Cresent .. Moon god.. What a joke !!

ok
Let me start by saying that there is no revealed or specific symbol for Islam, as a religion. Islam is a monotheist religion with a pure concept and understanding of The Creator as a transcendental God. It is fully against incarnation. That is why the Islamic art and architecture is very distinct to some aspects in life.. but never in the personality of prophets and GOD..and you would not find any statues or even pictures by muslems of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh).. And even for His righteouss Companions. Even the messenger of Allah was considered a man, who simply conveyed a message and was never considered an icon of Islam.  


Jews believe that the whole universe is the creation of One God called Jehovah. Christians - unless they are misguided - also believe that there is only One God, Who is the Creator of the universe. As for Muslims, they too believe that there is only one God. From this, we may conclude that all these three religions should be believing in the same One God, Who is the Creator of existence.  

Yet, of course, religious communities do differ in their understanding of God. But for that reason we cannot say that there exists as many gods as there are religions. The Jewish idea of the One Creator-God is greatly undermined by the Christian teaching of three persons in one God – Father, Son and the Holy Spirit. This is despite the fact that Jesus did not teach this.  

In fact, basically Christians ought to accept the Shema of the Children of Israel:  

“Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God is one Lord.” (Deuteronomy 6: 4)  

This is reiterated by Jesus Christ:  

“The first of all the commandments is, Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord.” (Mark 12: 29)

One important point to understand about Islam is that Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) never claimed that he was teaching a new religion. He said that his mission was to restore the original and true religion of Abraham, Moses, Jesus and all other prophets (peace be upon them all).

The Holy Qur’an, which is the guidance of God revealed to Muhammad (pbuh) emphatically says, God is One and One Only. And what is more, it emphasizes that the Muslim is a person who believes in all the Books of God and in all His prophets. This is clearly stated in Surah 2, verse 136:  

{Say: “We believe in God, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in what (messages or books ) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to God do we bow our will [in Islam].”}

From the foregoing, the following points become clear:  

The God of the Qur’an is the same as the God of the Torah and the Gospel. Muhammad (pbuh) taught the same religion taught by all the prophets of God, including Abraham, Moses and Jesus (peace be upon them all).

It is important to realize that Islam does not mean “Mohammedanism” as some Orientalists want us to believe. It is - to put in simple terms: Submission to the will of the Almighty. We remember what Jesus is reported to have said, when he was about to be arrested by the Roman soldiers:  

“And he went a little further, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless, not as I will, but as thou wilt.” (Matthew 26: 39)  

And i am still asking... Why jesus christ ordered his deciples to watch him before he fell on his face ??

What Jesus does here is declaring his submission to God’s will, which exactly is Islam. Also, it is clearly said that when he prayed, he fell on his face. This means he did sujood (prostration), as the Muslims do in prayer. This is the humblest form of physical submission, praying with the forehead placed on the ground.  

Thus we may say that Jesus was a Muslim, that is one who submitted to Jehovah, to God Almighty or as the present day Muslims knom Him, as Allah - May He be Glorified and Exalted!

Moon God !!!!
What Moon God..??

ok.. i will beleive you and Consider this is true..  
joining this name  (ALLAH which is so close to Elohim in hebrew and ( eli eli ) an aramic.. and languigically they are from the same root..) to a claim of Moon God name is silly..
because even though it was true that ancient arabs worshipped a moon god named ( Al-lah ).. that implies what??
that implies that ALLAH was a name known for divinity.. and it is also clear if you notice The word Elohim ... so they took it as a name for one of their gods

also ancient arab Worshipped a god named (ALLAT) which is so close in sound to ALLAH.


You know that the same is true of the Hebrew terms “Yahweh,” “El,” and “Elohim,” used in the Bible as names of God??.
Early Jewish tradition assigns Yahweh a wife, Asherah. The term “Yahweh” was used by the Moabites as another name for the Canaanite god Ba’al; indeed, “El,” “-ilah,” and “Ba’al” are all obvious cognates, and are recognised by Biblical scholars as having a common origin. If Islam has pagan roots, so do Judaism and Christianity.


Why is this a problem? Well, if one claims to have found evidence of a moon god named "Allah" in Palestine, Syria, or Lebanon, this claim applies to the respective deities of both Christianity and Islam. One of the basic Hebrew words for God, Eloh, can easily be pronounced alah without the diacritical marks. Not surprisingly, the Aramaic word for God is alah! This word, in the standard script or the Estrangela script is spelled alap-lamad-heh (ALH), which are the exactly corresponding letters to the Hebrew eloh. The Arabic word for God, Allah, is spelled in a very similar way. It is even related to the more generic word for deity, ilah

ALLAH is the Only word in arabic to descripe GOD.. and it is realy truth that is is his name



Crescent .. symbol??
ok
We moslems Love Crescent.. yea.. but you know why???

What prompted some Muslims to use the crescent, as a symbol on their flag, was the starting of the fast during the month of Ramadan, when the crescent appears. The crescent marks the beginning of the Islamic months, as Muslims follow the lunar calendar, not the Gregorian calendar. The crescent is not a “holy symbol”. Islam does not believe in any “holy idols” or symbols to be worshipped!  

The Holy Qur’an says in Surah 2, verse 189:  

{They ask you concerning the new moons. Say: They are but times appointed for [the benefit of] men, and [for] the pilgrimage … … …}

Moon god.. what a silliness.. !!!

You know the story of ibraham in the quraan??  
how did he reach GOD?


75. So also did We show Abraham the power and the laws of the heavens and the earth, that he might (with understanding) have certitude.  
76. When the night covered him over, He saw a star: He said: "This is my Lord." But when it set, He said: "I love not those that set."  
77. When he saw the moon rising in splendour, he said: "This is my Lord." But when the moon set, He said: "unless my Lord guide me, I shall surely be among those who go astray."  
78. When he saw the sun rising in splendour, he said: "This is my Lord; this is the greatest (of all)." But when the sun set, he said: "O my people! I am indeed free from your (guilt) of giving partners to Allah.  
79. "For me, I have set my face, firmly and truly, towards Him Who created the heavens and the earth, and never shall I give partners to Allah."
 
( Surah 6. Cattle, Livestock "Al Anaam" )




It doesn't worth at all to have such silly accusations..  
the same problem between christians and jews..
we All worship One GOD.. the same GOD..  
The problem is our understandng to him.
GOD is ALLAH


Thanks Trojan Horse
yours
zio-hau-sam

يعني من الآخر.. ادعاءات إله القمر بتاعتك.. الفاتيكان نفسه يسخر منها

نعم الإله مختلف في المفهوم..
ولكن الديانتان تعنيان من هو اسمه ( الله ) في الديانتين.. وهو الخالق

ولكن للأسف أنتم اتبعتم الها آخر في المفهوم