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لماذا يقولون نصراني و ليس مسيحي
العميد غير متصل
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الانضمام: Jul 2003
مشاركة: #31
لماذا يقولون نصراني و ليس مسيحي
اقتباس:  الختيار   كتب/كتبت  


و قد ذكر الزميل السرياني شيئاً مهما :

اقتباس:سؤالي واضح جدا والجواب عليه يغنينا عن شروحات كثيرة ...

هل استخدم العرب المسيحييون قبل الاسلام مصطلح " نصارى " ؟

ان كان الجواب لا ، يكون المصطلح اختراح اسلامي محمدي محض ، وان اجبت بنعم يترتب عليك الاتيان بالدليل ...

اردت حضرتك ان تقدم دليلا من الشعر الجاهلي ، فقلنا لابأس ... لكن الدليل الاقوى سيكون من كتب المسيحيين العرب انفسهم ، اي مما كتبه آباء كنيسة الروم الاتذوكس وغيرهم ...

لا أدري لماذا تجاهل زميلنا الختيار مداخلتي برقم 3 ، لعله سهو أو ضيق وقت ..

لا بأس ، ولكن ما رأي الختيار والسرياني هنا لو عكسنا السؤال وقلنا هل استخدم العرب المسيحيون قبل بعثة النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم مصطلح " مسيحي " ؟

ألا يكون منعطفاً قوياً في النقاش أيضاً ؟؟؟

بما أنه مسيحي ( يعني المفروض أنه يعرف كتب المسيحية أكثر منا ) فليخبرنا من كتب الآباء العرب بماذا سمى العرب المسيحيون أنفسهم قبل بعثة النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ؟؟؟



وبالنسبة لاستخدام مصطلح "النصارى" في الشعر الجاهلي فهذا ما جاء في موقع " المتنصرين" ( المسيحي ) - وقد سبق وأشار إليه الأخ eeww2000 - وهذا كلام الموقع حرفياً "

(( بعض الأحكام الدينية عند النصارى..

لقد أشير في أشعار الجاهليين إلى تعبد النصارى وصلواتهم ، وخاصة منهم الرهبان والنساك الذين اعتكفوا في الصوامعوالبيعوالأديرة والأديرة النائية يعبدون الله بتلاوة "الإنجيل" والصوم والصلاة . يقول عدي بن زيد العبادي :

وأوتينا الملك والإنجيل نقرؤه ـــــــــــ نشفي بحكمته أحلامنا عللا .

وماداموا يقرؤون الإنجيل فلا بد أنهم عرفوا الصلاة والصوم ، يقول أمية بن أبي الصلت :

صدت كما صد عما لا يحل له ـــــــــــ ساقي [COLOR=Red]نصارى
قبيل الصبح صوام

ولقد صلى النصارى ركوعاً ؛ يقول المضرس الأسدي :

وسخال ساجية العيون خواذل ـــــــــــ بجماد لينة كالنصارى انتهى الاقتباس .



وهذا هو الموقع :
http://www.mutenasserin.net/mutenasserin/a...1/christnty.htm

ولقد لاحظت أنه لا يعمل ، ربما هناك عطل فيه ، ولكن بواسطة محرك البحث في موقع www.msn.com يمكن الحصول على النسخة المخبأة من الموقع ، انظر الرابط :
http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=MS...%D9%87%D9%85%22

وقم باستخراج النسخة المخبأة بالضغط على cashed page

أو مباشرة على الرابط
http://cc.msnscache.com/cache.aspx?q=21905...n-US&FORM=CVRE3


أو على موقع " بيت الرب " وهو رابط نصراني أيضاً ينقل عن الموقع السابق :
http://www.bait-alrab.org/new_page_2111.htm


ولك التحية


العميد
09-15-2005, 06:26 PM
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