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لماذا يقولون نصراني و ليس مسيحي
بسم الله الرحمن الرحيم و الحمد لله رب العالمين ..


فعلًا عجيب جدًا أن لا تدرك العقول المقصد الواضح للكلام على هذا النحو ..


أنا لم أقل أن استنتاج الختيار غير صحيح إلا لأنه غير صحيح .. و ليس بدافع التعصب .. فلو كان هذا هو المقصد الإسلامي حقًا ما خجلت أن أرددة .. لكن الحقيقة كما قلت أنا ..


استنتاجك كله خاطئ يا ختيار .. [COLOR=Blue]لأن الله سبحانه و تعالى سماهم بتلك التسمية بنائًا على تسميتهم هم أنفسهم بأنهم نصارى .. و سبق توضيح ذلك ..


و كما قلت في مداخلة الزميل السرياني ..

" الَّذِينَ قَالُواْ إِنَّا نَصَارَى " فهم الذين قالوا هذا عن أنفسهم قبل الإسلام حتى !! .. فكيف لا يرتضون بها ..

يا عزيزي .. إن النصارى سموا أنفسهم بذلك الأسم بكامل الرضى بلسانهم العربي ..

و لا أعرف لماذا يجادل البعض في هذا .. فلا عيب في هذا الإسم .. و إن شئت أن أناديك بالمسيحي فلك هذا ..

و لكن لا أحب أن يتم تغيير التاريخ و تُزوََر - بالبناء للمجهول - الحقائق لأجل فهمٍ متعصب مغلوط .. فالتاريخ لا علاقة له بمشاعر النصارى .. خصوصًا أنهم هم من كتبوا هذا التاريخ بأنفسهم ..


و كان تعليقي على فهم الختيار المغلوط .. إذ يقول : السبب في ذلك أن " نسلب مسيحيتهم " ... فهذه سطحية لا شك فيها و لم يقصدها الشيخ ابن باز .. و إنما قصد أن ذلك الأسم لا ينطبق على المسمى .. و قال أن الأولى أن نلتزم بما قاله القرآن الكريم .. و هذا رأية ..


إلا أنه من المؤكد أن المسلم لا يبالي بما يسمي به النصراني نفسة ..


فكما قلت للزميل الختيار ..

بصرف النظر عن المُسمى و الإسم .. إن كنت تقصد أن أسمهم نصارى أو مسيحيين يجعلهم مثل أتباع المسيح عليه السلام فهذا خطأ كبير .. فهم ليسوا لهم أدنى علاقة بالأبرار من تلاميذ المسيح عليه الصلاة و السلام .. فإذا أحبوا أن ينسبوا إليه و يدعون على أنفسهم ذلك فلهم ما يريدون ..

و لكن مهما سموا أنفسهم فلن يكونوا من أتباع المسيح عليه الصلاة و السلام أبدًا ..

كالذي يسمي نفسة كريم .. و لا ينطبق على فعله .. فهو أبخل الناس .. فلا يشفع له أسمة ..

فالمسلمون لا ينظرون تلك النظرة السطحية يا ختيار ..

و المسلمون لا يعنيهم أن يكونوا نصارى أو مسيحيون لأنهم في الحالتين ليس لديهم أدنى علاقة بالمسيح عليه السلام !!! .. فليست الأسماء تشكل فارقًا بالنسبة لهم ..


هذا ما يفهمة أصحاب العقول يا أستاذ اللبناني .. و أعتقد أنه من سوء الأدب التلميح بالكلام بتلك الطريقة ..

فأنا لم أسئ لأحد .. و إنما أبين أعتقادي ..

و شكرًا للجميع ..




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لماذا يقولون نصراني و ليس مسيحي - بواسطة Hossam_Magdy - 09-17-2005, 11:31 PM

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