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لماذا يقولون نصراني و ليس مسيحي
نقطة مهمة

فيما يتعلق بالمسألة لغوياً ، و التي أول من اشار إليها الزميل خالد ، حيث احتجوا بأن العرب قبل الإسلام سمّوا أتباع المسيح بالنصارى .

و أنا اسألهم :

لو سمّى العرب أولئك بالنصارى ، فهل نحن مجبرين على تسميتهم بنفس الاسم ؟؟؟؟

يعني خطأهم في التسمية غير وارد ؟؟؟

هل تسميتهم مقدسة ؟؟؟؟

القرآن نفسه رفض تسميات العرب ، و استنكرها حيث قال :

"قَالَ قَدْ وَقَعَ عَلَيْكُمْ مِنْ رَبِّكُمْ رِجْسٌ وَغَضَبٌ أَتُجَادِلُونَنِي فِي [COLOR=Blue]أَسْمَاءٍ سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنْتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُمْ مَا نَزَّلَ اللَّهُ بِهَا مِنْ سُلْطَانٍ الأعراف 71

"مَا تَعْبُدُونَ مِنْ دُونِهِ إِلَّا [COLOR=Blue]أَسْمَاءً سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنْتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُمْ مَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ بِهَا مِنْ سُلْطَانٍ يوسف 40

"إِنْ هِيَ إِلَّا [COLOR=Blue]أَسْمَاءٌ سَمَّيْتُمُوهَا أَنْتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُمْ مَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ بِهَا مِنْ سُلْطَانٍ النجم 23

"ِنَّ الَّذِينَ لَا يُؤْمِنُونَ بِالْآخِرَةِ [COLOR=Blue]لَيُسَمُّونَ الْمَلَائِكَةَالنجم 26

فها هو القرآن يستنكر تسميات العرب في الكثير من الأمور ، فلماذا تجعلون تسميتهم لأتباع عيسى تسمية مقدسة و تغييرها هو تحريف و تزوير للتاريخ !!!!!!!!!

لو صح شعر ابن ابي الصلت ، و صح أن سمّى عرب الجزيرةِ أتباعَ عيسى بالنصارى ، فهذا لا يمنح التسمية أي قداسة أنكرها القرآن في غير موضوع ، مما يجعل التسمية بشرية تحتمل الصواب أو الخطأ .



مرة أخرى أقول : لماذا لا تسموهم بما سمّوا به أنفسهم ؟؟؟؟

مقال لأحد المسلمين يتكلم حول هذه المسألة ، وجدته أثناء بحثي في الغوغل ، و قد ذكر أمور تاريخية و ذكر مراجعه في ذلك ، و من بين تلك الأمور قوله :

اقتباس:أولا : متى دعي النصارى باسم : مسيحيين أول مرة ؟  
الجواب مفاجأة دعي المسيحيون بهذا الاسم أول مرة في نحو سنة 42 أو 43 ميلادية و كان الأصل في هذا اللقب شتيمة ( نعم شتيمة ) هذا ما ورد في قاموس الكتاب المقدس صفحة 889 طبعة 2001 بالحرف الواحد :  

" دعي المؤمنون مسيحيين أول مرة في إنطاكية ( أعمال الرسل 11 : 26 ) نحو سنة 42 أو 43 ميلادية . ويرجح ان ذلك اللقب كان فى الأول شتيمة ( 1 بطرس 4 : 16 ) قال المؤرخ تاسيتس ( المولود نحو 54 م ) ان تابعي المسيح كانوا أناس سفلة عاميين و لما قال اغريباس لبولس فى اعمال الرسل 26 : 28 ( بقليل تقنعنى ان اصير مسيحيا ) فالراجح انه أراد ان حسن برهانك كان يجعلني أرضى بان أعاب بهذا الاسم ." ( قاموس الكتاب المقدس تأليف نخبة من الاساتذة ذوي الاختصاص ومن اللاهوتيين - دار مكتبة العائلة - القاهرة )  

إذن اصل كلمة ( مسيحيين ) شتيمة و حتى الملك اغريباس عندما اقتنع بكلام بولس قال ما معناه ( كلامك اقنعنى ان اتبعك و لا مانع من ان يصفوني مسيحيا علشان خاطرك رغم انها شتيمة ) . ولاحظ أيضا ان أول مرة دعي بذلك كان سنة 42 ميلادية اى بعد أكثر من عشر سنوات من رفع المسيح صاحب الدعوة و الذى لم يذكر هذا الاسم مطلقا .

واليك أيضاً - أخي القارىء - ما جاء في دائرة المعارف الكتابية : تحت كلمة ( مسيحيون ) :  
" ترد كلمة : " مسيحي " أو " مسيحيين " ثلاث مرات في العهد الجديد اع 11: 26 26: 28 1بط 4: 16. ففي الأصحاح الحادي عشر من سفر أعمال الرسل نجد أول استعمال للكلمة حيث نقرأ : " ودُعي التلاميذ مسيحيين في أنطاكية أولاً أي المنتمين للمسيح أو أتباع المسيح وواضح أن هذا الاسم لم يصدر أساساً عن المسيحيين أنفسهم كما لم يطلقه اليهود على أتباع المسيح الذي كانوا يكرهونه ويضطهدون اتباعه بل كانوا يطلقونه على المؤمنين بالرب " شيعة الناصريين " ( أع 24: 5) فلابد أن الكلمة سكها الوثنيون من سكان إنطاكية عندما انفصلت الكنيسة عن المجمع اليهودي وحلت محل المجمع جماعة كانت غالبيتها من الأمم الذين آمنوا بالمسيح .....  

ولا يرد هذا الاسم إلا في القرن الثاني إذ كان إغناطيوس الأنطاكي هو أول مسيحي يطلق على المؤمنين أسم " مسيحيين " . كما كتب بلليني ( الحاكم الروماني للمنطقة التي أرسل إليها الرسول بطرس رسالته الأولى ) للإمبراطور تراجان عن أناس قدموا أمامه بتهمة أنهم " مسيحيون " ومنذ ذلك الوقت أصبح المؤمنون بالمسيح يشتهرون بهذا الاسم .. " ( دائرة المعارف الكتابية- دار الثقافة - القاهرة )  

الوثنيون هم أول من أطلقوا الاسم بلا خلاف الان و ليس الرب و ليس يسوع و الاسم كان على الارجح شتيمة او على الاقل على سبيل التهكم و هذا هو طرحي الاصلى تماما من مراجع النصارى المعترف بها .

ولاحظ هنا النص الذي ذكرته دائرة المعارف الكتابية يقول : " ولا يرد هذا الاسم مسيحيون إلا فى القرن الثاني إذ كان اغناطيوس الانطاكى اول مسيحي يطلق على المؤمنين اسم مسيحيين " معنى ذلك ان أتباع المسيح كان يطلق عليهم اسم آخر حتى القرن الثانى فما هو هذا الاسم ؟.  
و هل من الطبيعي ان يترك المسيح أتباعه بدون اسم حتى يستعملوا اسم أطلقه عليهم الوثنيون .  
رايى أنا ان اسمهم كان المسلمون اتباع المسيح عليه السلام و ضاع الاسم مع ما ضاع و الله المستعان .

فكما نرى من اقتباساته السابقة أن هذه التسمية قديمة بدأت منذ بداية العهد المسيحي ، تقول التواريخ 42 م ، و سواء صحت أم أخطأت ، زادت أم نقصت ، فهذا يدل على الاستعمال المبكر لهذه الكلمة . بغض النظر أُريد بها الشتم أم المدح ، فليس هذا ما نعلّق عليه نقاشنا .

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