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لماذا يقولون نصراني و ليس مسيحي
الأخ الكريم "مسلم سلفي"، تحية طيبة.

بمناسبة التحية، أوّد أن أخبرك أن كلمة "الهدي" التي أرسلت سلامك لأتباعها، تكتب بالياء المقصورة "الهدى"، بدون نقاط اسفل الياء.

قرأت الأبيات التي وضعها الأخ الكريم "سيف المسيح"، أنت الذي لم تقرأ كلامي:

اقتباس:لم أجد في دواوين الشعر العربي إستخداماً للفظة: "نصراني/نصارى" في عصور ما قبل الإسلام مستخدمة من أصحابها، معظم ما وصلنا هو من غيرهم ومن بعد الإسلام.

هل توّد أن تقول أنّ "عنترة بن شدّاد" مسيحي حتى يؤخذ بقوله حجّة على المسيحيين؟

هو جاهلي يا أخي، فتعّلم ألا تأخذ المسمى إلا من أصحابه بحسب ما إرتضوه لأنفسهم.

هناك نقطة أخرى، فـ"عنترة بن شدّاد" وإن كان غير معلوم سنة ميلاده، إلا أنه عايش "محمد بن عبد الله" (رسول الإسلام) لمدة 31 سنة بالتمام والكمال، فهو قد توفّي عام 22 قبل الهجرة.

لذا فمن الطبيعي أن يستجلب "عنترة بن شدّاد" هذا المسمى بطريقة مهتزّة كما وصلت رسول الإسلام. فلم يقل أحد أن رسول الإسلام "إبتدع" لفظة "نصارى"، لابد أن مصدرهما واحد لطالما عاشا في نفس الحقبة.


اقتباس:اقتباس:
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ماذا يوصف الذين إتّبعوا المسيح؟ -> "مسيحيون"
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يوصفون بالنصاري

والدليل من كتابكم

أه، أنت من هؤلاء إذن :bisou:

أخي الكريم، أنا أتحدّث عن قضيّة لغوّية لما ورد في القرآن الذي يعتد به المسلم حتى أحاججه بماذا يسمى "أتباع المسيح" (لغوياً)،
فهل ترى ردّ الحجة عندما يكون من الكتاب المقدّس ملزماً للمسلم؟
أم تود أن تقول أن هناك شعوباً أخرى قد إستخدمت لفظة "نصارى" بخلاف المسلمين؟
نعم هذه صحيح، لكنهم إستخدموها للنسب للبلد (الناصرة) وهناك فارق كبير بين المنتسبين للمسيح والمنتسبين للناصرة.

أشك في أنك ستفهمني بسهولة،
حسنا، أنظر لفظة "نصارى" بالإنجليزية، ستجدها Nazarene، نسبة إلى بلدة الناصرة Nazaret،
ترجمتها إلى: "النصارى"، هي من وجهة نظري ترجمة خاطئة، والصحيح: "ناصريين"، التي مفردها: "ناصري" وليس: "نصراني" التي نتحدث عنها.

تحياتي.
09-18-2005, 08:08 PM
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