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العوا يعوي : الأقباط يخزنون أسلحة بالكنائس والدولة ضعيفة أمام البابا
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RE: الرد على: العوا يعوي : الأقباط يخزنون أسلحة بالكنائس والدولة ضعيفة أمام البابا
(09-22-2010, 11:37 AM)الحكيم الرائى كتب:  
(09-21-2010, 10:42 PM)عاشق الكلمه كتب:  حكيم :

من هو صاحب الخيال الخصب الأن ؟ من يتحدث من خلال الأحداث التاريخيه والمؤرخين أم من يتحدث من خلال استنتاجات خاطئه بنيت أيضاعلى فرضيات خاطئه ؟

الكتب التى تناولت الفتح العربى لمصر أو " الغزو " العربى لمصر " مش هتفرق " تناولت أحداث هذا الفتح والظروف السياسيه والاجتماعيه للأقباط , وذكرت أن بنيامين ظل هاربا من الاضطهاد ثلاثه عشر عاما حتى جاء " العربى " عمرو بن العاص وأمًنه على حياته ودعاه للنزول وقياده شعبه , ولم يذكر أحدا من المؤرخين أنه كانت هناك صفقه بين عمرو وبنيامين اعتبر بنيامين على أثرها خائن ! لم نسمع عن تلك الخيانه سوى منكم أنتم الأن نتيجه للخيال الخصب .

لو كان بنيامين استطاع مقاومه الرومان بكتائب قبطيه مسلحه بدلا من هروبه فى الجبال ثم تقاعس عن مقاومه العرب لصدقنا خيانته , لكنه لم يستطع مقاومه الرومان وفر هاربا فهل كان يمكنه مقاومه من قهروا الرومان ؟

هذا غير ماذكره ألفريد بتلر وغيره من المؤرخين الأقباط عن بعض ملامح المعامله الحسنه التى تلقاها القبط على يد عمرو بن العاص , حتى أن البابا شنوده نفسه ذكر فى أحد كتبه أن أحد البحاره سرق رأس مار جرجس الرسول , وعندما لجأ البابا بنيامين الى عمرو للبحث عنها أمر عمرو بالبحث عنها واعادتها وسلم بنيامين مبلغ " عشره الاف دينار " لبناء كنيسه للرأس موجوده حتى الان بالاسكندريه باسم " الكنيسه المعلقه " واستقر رأس مار جرجس الرسول بها .

فأى خيال خصب تتحدث عنه ومن صاحبه ؟

عفوا عاشق
أين هؤلاء المؤرخين الذين دونوا صرخات المصريين الذين دونوا استغاثة الشعب المصرى المكلوم بعربان وغربان الجزيرة هات لى مؤرخ واحد محترم بخلاف اصحاب قصص تان تان من الكتاب الاسلاميين الذين برعوا فى قصص الأذان على سطح القمر ولا أله الا الله على قفا قطة ومحمد رسول الله على رجل نملة دكر يتيمة بصحراء الربع الخالى ...ممكن لو سمحت من فضلك أتفضل هات واستعين بالأزهر والجامعة الاسلامية وجامعة الدول العربية والاتحاد العالمى لعلماء المسلمين وبربنا نفسه وهات لى شاهد واحد على الافلام الهندى دى.
الحاجة الثانية الكنيسة الارثوذكسية هى من أغرقت مصر فى بحر الحرب الطائفية ايامها وقبل ان تنقلب عليها الايام كانت هى السباقة فى مطاردة غير الارثوذكس وغير المسيحين وقام اتباعها بالقتل والحرق والتدمير وهى ايضا قضية تاريخية معروفة ,مصر كانت ولاية رومانية ولم تكن مضطهدة من أحد ولا مطاردة من أحد, الكنيسة الارثوذكسية هى اللى كانت مولعة البلد بسبب نص يقول ان الروح القدس صادر من الاب والابن والكنيسة ترى انه صادر من الاب فقط,وغرقت البلد فى الدماء بسبب المعاتيه,بنيامين كان هربان فى الصحراء واراد بن العاص حليفا له مصرى فلم يجد لنفسه حلفاء فبعد انهيار الحامية الرومانية,ولم تتبقى الا مقاومة شعبية اراد بن العاص أن يؤمن نفسه من خلال أتباع ام الزوانى وهذا ماكان له ومالم يعرفه أتباع ام الزوانى أن غربان الجزيرة لاصديق لهم ولاحليف فكلها اشياء وقتية.
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