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اللطف اللامتناهي للبوذيين في بورما أراكان-راخين
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RE: الرد على: اللطف اللامتناهي للبوذيين في بورما أراكان-راخين
(07-06-2012, 03:04 PM)لواء الدعوة كتب:  القضية ليست في عدد الضحايا ، لأن قتل شخص واحدٍ بلا ذنب ليس كقتل ألف شخص مجرمين ، ألم تدري ما قاله عمر بن الخطاب " لو تمالأ أهل اليمن على قتل امرء مسلم لقتلتهم جميعاً " ؟ وأيضاً قتل شخص واحد كقتل ألف شخص ، فالمجرم يكون مجرماً سواء قتل ألفاً أو مليوناً ولكنه كلما قتل أكثر يزداد إجراماً .

هناك الكثير من القضايا المتداخلة ببعضها البعض ، واستغلال شخص ما لجرحك لا يعني أن جرحك لا يستحق عناء الشفقة والتضامن ، فأن تستغل أمريكا قضية الشيشان لا يعني أن قضية الشيشان ليست عادلة وكذلك أن تستغل أمريكا القضية البورمية والفلبينية لا يعني أن هاتين القضيتين ليستا عادلتين أبداً والأمر ينطبق على القضية الفلسطينية وإستغلالها ، فمثلاً المجاهدين الشيشان ينفذون كل يوم عمليات حربية ضد الروس - راجع موقعهم كفكاز سنتر - كما أن الروس والعصابات الموالية لهم يرتكبون يومياً المزيد من المجازر والاضهادات ولا أحد يفتح فمه - لأننا ضعفاء كمسلمين أولاً ولأن مصالح كثيرة لا تريد فتح هذا الملف - ولكن لو أرادت أمريكا اشغال روسيا فمن الطبيعي أن تستغل هذه القضية واستغلالها لها - وأكرر هذا للمرة الألف - لا يعني عدم عدالة هذه القضية بتاتاً وأن نتركها ونترك الدفاع عنها بسبب إستغلال أمريكا لها ، وهل الدنيا إلا مصالح وإستغلال للمصالح وكذا السياسة ؟

نعود للقضية البورمية ، الذي يحصل الآن إبادة حقيقية ضد طائفة فقيرة ومهمشة وحالات قتل جماعي إجرامية ضدها ، والدافع خلف هذه الحملة - وإن كان مهماً معرفته - إلا أن اي دافع في الكون لا يبرر عمليات الابادة والقتل الجماعي وخصوصاً في القرن الواحد والعشرين ، وعندما نسمع بحالات مثل هذه فالفطرة السوية الطبيعية تشفق على هذا الصنف من البشر سواء كانوا على نفس دينك وفكرك ومعتقدك أم لا ، أما حين نبرر الجرائم هذه أو نمنع مشاعر الشفقة التلقائية فحينها نكون قد نزعنا أولى لبنات المشاعر الإنسانية لدينا ورويداً رويداً سنصبح مجرد وحوش بشرية لا تفقه إلا شيئين " مصالحها وفرائسها " .

أخي الكريم عندما أتحدث وأحاور فأنا أخاطب العقل المثقف الواعي ولا أسألك عن رأيك يالواء الدعوة فانتبه..هناك إشكاليات لم يُجاب عنها بل كل ما طرحته ما هو إلا تبرير لوجود مثل هذا التناقض..

بتبسيط أكثر

1-نحن ننتفض ضد بورما إعلامياً بينما تذبح أمريكا المسلمين ولم نتحرك أيضاً إعلامياً.
2-نصنع التعبئة ضد البوذيين..بينما "المسيحيون" يذبحون المسلمين في أفغانستان وباكستان أيضاً ولم نتحرك...طبعاً أنا لا أقصد الدين المسيحي وأتباعه ولكن عن ماهية ودين القتلة في تلك المناطق..
3-المسلمون يقتلون أنفسهم في سوريا والسودان ومالي والصومال وليبيا والعراق وغيرها من البلدان..بينما الجهات التي تصنع التعبئة ضد بورما هي ذاتها نفس الجهات التي تبرر للقتل في تلك المناطق..

أستشف من ذلك أن الجاني لو كان مسلماً فلا غضاضة عند هؤلاء..ولكن لو كانت الضحية مسلمة فالكون كله متآمر والنصر للإسلام والعزة للمسلمين وأغيثوا إخوانكم ..ومثل هذه الشعارات التي لا تُحرك سوى الغوغاء والسفهاء الذين ينتطرون مثل هذه الخطابات ..

لا تقنعني أن وجود كيانات إعلامية طائفية كموقع قصة الإسلام أو مفكرة الإسلام(لاحظ التسميات) ...أو قنوات تزوير وغش فضائية كقناة الجزيرة والعربية..ينتفضون لدماء المسلمين في الشيشان وبورما والفلبين وكشمير فهم ينتفضون لتلك الدماء لأن مبادئهم هي التي أجبرتهم على هذا السلوك؟!!..لأن نفس هذه الكيانات الإعلامية المتطرفة هي ذاتها التي صمتت صمت الحملات على مجازر الإسلاميين في نفس الدول التي يذرفون عليها دموع التماسيح ...علاوة على تبريرهم للقتل الممنهج ضد مخالفي الإسلاميين والعرب عموماً في أكثر البلدان الأخرى التي توجد بها مثل هذه المواجهات والتصفيات الإثنية والدينية..

اقتباس:لماذا نتحدث عن تجفيف " الفكر المتطرف " وهو عبارة عن ردة فعل لا أكثر ؟ الأصل أن نبحث عن الأسباب قبل البحث عن آثار النتائج ، وكما يقول حسن حنفي في كتاب له عن ثقافة المقاومة على أن الواجب قبل إزالة آثار الهزيمة إزالة الأسباب التي أدت إليها ، الفكر المتطرف هو نتيجة حتمية للإضطهاد والاستبداد والفقر والحرمان ، فاذا تظافرت هذه العوامل جميعها فلن يبقى إلا شيء واحد وهو الغطاء الذي يتحرك من خلاله هذا التطرف ، قد يكون الغطاء شيوعياً أو اشتراكياً أو مسيحياً أو إسلامياً والقائمة مستمرة .

الفكر المتطرف ليس ردة فعل بل هو نتاج ثقافة ونزعات سلطوية دينية ...لأنني لو شتمتك الآن فيجوز لك -حسب فكرك المتطرف- أن تضعني في خانة الأعداء وبدمائي ستدخل الجنة وتنال رضا الرحمن...أي فعل هذا الذي يُجيز للآخر القتل والتدمير والتكفير...

سلمنا أن المتطرف هو رد فعل على الإجرام فما الذي جناه ضحايا سبتمبر كي يقتلهم الإسلاميين بهذه الطريقة..وما ذنب من تذبحهم الجماعات وتفصل رؤوسهم عن أجسادهم بوحشية ..

الجواب على كلامك هو أن انتشار الخلط بين الهوية والدين هو الذي صنع مثل هذه التشابكات..الأمر الذي جعل من المسلم في أي مكان يذهب إليه مشروع تفرقة وإرهاب ضد سكان هذه المناطق..إقرأ أفكار الزميل جعفر علي فقد شرح هذه النقطة من عدة زوايا..


اقتباس:وتنويه أخير لك وأنت تتحدث عن العدد ، فإن كانت العبرة في العدد فالأصل أن نهتم للثورة السورية وللشعب السوري الذي فقد على يد نظامه الإجرامي خلال سنة ونصف أكثر مما فقده الشعب الفلسطيني على يد الإحتلال الإسرائيلي خلال أكثر من عشرين سنة

لذلك قلت لك بان الحوار حوار العقل المثقف وليس لاستبيان الآراء..لأنه وبحسب منطقك لي الحق بالسؤال عن سبب تقصير نفس هذه الكيانات الإعلامية التي تحرض في بورما عن التقصير في ثورة البحرين..بل أكثر هذه الكيانات تعتبر أن ما يحدث في البحرين هي ثورة "روافض مجوس صفويين "لا يجوز نصرتها شرعاً..بل يجب قتل كل من تسول له نفسه النزول للشارع والمطالبه بحقوقه.

أنت تعيش في جو ملبد بالغيوم وطافح بالمتناقضات..وأكثر السياسات الناجحة في مثل هذه الظروف هي الدعوة للسلام والوئام...لأن دعوتك للسلام لو تحققت فستُجبرك بدلاً من التحريض في بورما أن تقوم باستطلاع الوضع أولاً على الارض في مثل هذه المناطق..وبالتالي تكون قد أعطيت للرأي الآخر حقه في التعبير عن رأيه وسبب وجود مثل هذه الإحتكاكات والجرائم..هذا لو أردت الحل..ولكن الذين يعملون على تعبئة الوضع إعلامياً في بورما ينساقون وراء خطاب أحادي سطحي لا يحل أكثر مما يتسبب في التعقيد..
(تم إجراء آخر تعديل على هذه المشاركة: 07-06-2012, 04:55 PM بواسطة فارس اللواء.)
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