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اللطف اللامتناهي للبوذيين في بورما أراكان-راخين
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RE: اللطف اللامتناهي للبوذيين في بورما أراكان-راخين
نيجي للمهم،

الزميل جعفر علي يختلف معي في زاويتين مهمتين، لذلك يبدو أننا نتحدث عن أمرين مختلفين تماما رغم حديثنا عن شيء واحد، لكنه على ما يبدو يصر أن يجعلني أتحدث لغته بدل أن ينشغل برفع الأمة من الوهدة التي وقعت فيها.

الزاوية الأولى أن الزميل جعفر علي يستخدم لغة خطاب استغرابية للتعبير عن الواقع الذي نعيش فيه، أنا لا أقبل أن أستعير لغة غيري ولغتي غنية بالمصطلحات، لا أعني الجانب اللغوي للغة العربية، بل أعني المصطلحات والمفاهيم ودلالاتها.

فكلمة الأمة الإسلامية، والتي استعملها العرب قديما وحديثا، في القرآن وغيره، والتي تعبر عن مصطلح بعينه، صارت عند الزميل جعفر علي خواء، لأن الزميل على ما يبدو لا يريد أن يكون مرجعه في شيء من الجانب الإسلامي، هو حر في ذلك على أية حال، لكنني خالد، وكثير من الأمة مثلي، لا نقيم لهذا العدم رضا بالا، ونصر على استخدام هذه المصطلحات ذات الدلالات الواضحة والمحددة والتي يمكن قياسها ووزنها، ولا أرى أن مصطلحات الوطنية والقومية الفضفاضة الخالية من المضمون والمفهوم بجديرة أن تحل محل هذه المصطلحات، وليست بقادرة على ذلك، ولا حتى مصطلح الإنسانية السهل التمطط على أي قياس مطلوب.

الزاوية الثانية أن الزميل جعفر علي يعيش على ما يبدو حالة "سلفية استغرابية"، فكما نعاني من سلفيي المسلمين الذين يصرون أن ينقلونا إلى مشاكل القرن الأول وحلولها هناك، بغربة عن الزمان. فكذلك نعاني من سلفيي المستغربين، الذين يرون جان جاك روسو ومونتيسكو ونيتشه سلفا صالحا لهم، ويريدون أن ينقلونا زمانا إلى عصور النهضة الأوروبية، ومكانا إلى هناك أيضا، ليحلوا لنا مشاكل أوروبا إبان عصر النهضة. وكلا الطريقين بنظري لا يصلحان لشيء إلا للجدل العقيم من باب إن قال لنا كذا رددنا عليه بكذا، وإن رد بكيت رددنا بذيت، إلخ...

الزميل جعفر علي، والحكي للجميع لمن يهتم،
فكرة أن العالم الإسلامي واقع في حالة انحطاط حضاري لا تستلزم بالضرورة أن الإسلام هو سبب هذا الإنحطاط ولا تستلزم أنه ليس سبب الإنحطاط، كل الأمرين ليسا متلازمين بالضرورة.
فكرة أن هناك شيء يسمى بالعالم الإسلامي هو واقع موجود، تجاهله لا يخفيه ولا يجعله يتبخر، الأوفق هو التعامل معه كما هو فعلا وليس كما نشتهي ونتمنى أن يكون، نتعامل معه كما هو فعلا ليصير كما نحب له أن يكون.

أما الحل فيا زميلي العزيز، فلا يكون بالقعود والندب على أغصان الشجر أن مرسي قد نجح وأن الثورة في سوريا ستوصل الظواهري إلى الحكم أو غيره، ذلك أن الناس كمجموع ليس الدين هو ما يحركها ولا غيره، بل يحركها مصالح تريد أن تقضى، ومفاسد تريد أن تدفع، فمن يتقدم إلى الناس بحلول فيها جلب مصالح ودرء مفاسد تبعته الناس وسلكت دربه، ومن أتاها يصطنع التنظير، وطريقة لو قال كذا لرددنا بكذا، ملته الناس وأعرضت عنه، وليس التدين الذي نراه بين الناس ينتشر اليوم إلا رد فعل غريزي طبيعي تقوم به كل الأمم حين تقع في ورطة يغلب على ظن المتورطين أن غيرهم من الناس عاجز عن مد يد العون لهم.

أما وقد أتينا إلى الحلول، فالاستبداد هو رأس المفاسد، وهو عدو جميع المصالح، وحين يكون الزميل جعفر علي منبريا لتبرير بقاء الإستبداد لأنه خير من وصول خصومه أو أعدائه المبدئيين إلى الحكم، وكأن القضية قضية حكم ولا دولة لدى الجميع، والتي صارت دمية بيد مستبد وبعض بنيه.

موضوع الإجرام بحق مسلمي بورما، ومن قبلهم الإجرام بحق مسلمي تايلاند والصين وكمبوديا والهند والحبشة وأريتيريا قبل استقلالها والبوسنة والهرسك والقوقاز على يد غير المسلمين هو حقيقة، وسبب اضطهادهم أنهم مسلمون هو حقيقة أيضا، وتعاطف المسلمين أمثالي معهم هو أمر لن يتوقف لأنه لا يعجب الزميل جعفر علي، الذي يرفض وجود الإسلام في الحياة. قد يتوقف إن قدم لنا الزميل جعفر نموذجا صالحا للتطبيق، يخرج الإستبداد ويبني دولا حقيقية، ويشرع بنهضة يمكن أن تؤثر على حياة الأمة وتحل مشاكلها وتدفع عنها المفاسد وتجلب لها المصالح، حينئذ أنا مستعد أن أساعد الزميل أو غيره ممن يقدم شيئا جديا حتى النهاية، لكن ما يجري هو مجرد وضع عصا في دواليب الغير، مع نوع من السخرية أو التوبيخ لمن يذكر شيئا لا ينسجم مع مسطرة مونتيسكو وجان جاك روسو وفولتير.

07-08-2012, 04:42 PM
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