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بحث في إثبات أنّ كاتب إنجيل مرقس مجهول
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بحث في إثبات أنّ كاتب إنجيل مرقس مجهول


اقتباس :
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لا بل سوف أسهل عليك السؤال أكثر ولن أطلب منك ألوف ، بل أطلب منك شخصاً واحداً ، واحداً فقط لا غير يقول أنه رأى مرقس يكتب إنجيله ، أو أنّ مرقس أخبره بذلك ..

للأسف لا ولن تجد ، فإذا لم تجد فلا تقل أنه لم يكتب بالخفاء .

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عزيز هذا الأسلوب غير موضوعي وغير علمي بل هو أسلوب انتهازي ، فقد أنتشر الإنجيل في الكنيسة كإنجيل المسيح وتسلمه الناس كما تؤكد الشهادات القديمة من أيدي مرقس نفسه الذي كتبه بناء على طلبهم وسلمه لهم .
أن طلبك هذا يتجاهل الحق والواقع وينتهز الفرص والمواقف ، لقد كتب القديس مرقس إنجيل المسيح بناء على طلب من استمعوا إليه وإلى القديس بطرس وسلمه لهم ، وهذه شهادة التاريخ التي تناقلتها الأجيال .
أن طلبك هذا يذكرني بنكتة خرجت في أواخر أيام الرئيس الراحل السادات والتي تقول أنه ، السادات ، أخذ معه في طيارة شيخ الأزهر والبابا وقال لهما سوف أسال كل واحد منكم سؤلا إذا لم يجب عليه سألقيه من الطيارة فوافقا مضطرين ، فسال شيخ الأزهر وقال له ما هي بلد المليون شهيد فقال له الجزائر ثم أتجه للبابا وقال أذكر أسمائهم ، أي اسماء الميلون شهيد !!!



اقتباس :
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قلت : الحقيقة هي أنه بالفعل خرجت أسفار الكتاب من زاوية مغمورة في زمن سشبه مجهول ، وليس أدلّ على ذلك من إنعدام وجود شخص واحد يدّعي أنه أخذ سفراً عن أحد الرسل ، وفي كل حواراتنا عن كتبتة الأناجيل تحدينا بكل وداعة أن يأتي لنا من زملائنا النصارى بشخص واحد فقط لا غير يقول إنّه أخذ الإنجيل الفلاني مباشرة عن كاتبه ، فلم نجد ولن نجد .
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ويبدوا هنا أنك وصلت لمرحلة لم أتوقعها أبدا وهي فقدان المنطق العلمي !!
يا عزيزي تمالك أعصابك أولا حتى لا تنزلق فيما وقعت فيه وتخرج عن كل ما له صلة بالبحث العلمي !!
لقد سبق وقال القديس بولس للوالي الروماني المعاصر له " لأنه من جهة هذه الأمور عالم الملك الذي اكلمه جهارا إذ أنا لست اصدق أن يخفى عليه شيء من ذلك. لان هذا لم يفعل في زاوية " (أع26 :18).
يا عزيزي أنت تقول بما يخالف المنطق والواقع والتاريخ وقرآنك !!
نعم قرآنك لم يذكر تفاصيل تدوين الإنجيل ولكنه تكلم عن الإنجيل الذي كان مع المسيحيين في عصره !!
إذا كانت المسيحية خرجت من مكان مجهول وفي زمن غير معروف تكون أنت نجحت في معرفة ما لم ينجح فيه نبيك وكتابك وقرآنك ، الذي قال " وَلْيَحْكُمْ أَهْلُ الْأِنْجِيلِ بِمَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ فِيهِ وَمَنْ لَمْ يَحْكُمْ بِمَا أَنْزَلَ اللَّهُ فَأُولَئِكَ هُمُ الْفَاسِقُونَ " (المائدة:47) . أنه يخاطب مسيحي عصره ويطلب منهم الحكم بما جاء في الإنجيل . نعم لم يتكلم .
ولو كانت الأناجيل كما تقول وقرآنك لم يذكر ما ذكرته أنت فأنت تنشب له بذلك الجهل وتنفي عنه الوحي وعن محمد النبوة !! لأنه كيف لم يعرف ما عرفته أنت ؟؟!!


اقتباس :
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أولاً : كاتب إنجيل لوقا مجهول ، وما كان كذلك فلا نقبل بالاحتجاج ب .
ثانياً : ليس فيه ما يُثبت أن كاتب إنجيل مرقس هو مرقس ، وأقصى ما فيه هو أن أعمال المسيح كانت تتم أمام الجموع وليس قضية كتابة إنجيل مرقس ...
فما يهمنا في موضوعنا هنا هو كاتب إنجيل مرقس ، فعلى الزميل الراعي أن يثبت لنا أنّ تلقي الإنجيل عن مرقس كان أمام الربوات وليس أعمال المسيح صلوات ربي وسلامه عليه .
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الإنجيل للقديس لوقا بإجماع العلماء غير الملحدين كتب حوالي سنة 60 ميلادية أي بعد صعود المسيح بحوالي 25 سنة واستخدمه تلاميذ الرسل واقتبسوا منه فور نشره ومن ثم فهو كان معروفا في الكنيسة في حياة رسل المسيح وتلاميذه وكان بين يدي خلفائهم . ومن ثم فهو من اقوي الوثائق الإلهية المكتوبة بالروح القديس لزمن المسيح وكان منتشرا في زمن تلاميذه .
وكان إنجيل مرقس وبإجماع العلماء هو أقدم الأناجيل وقد كتب فيما بين 40 و50 ميلادية وأنتشر في الكنيسة في دائرة التلاميذ والرسل والكنيسة كلها وهذا أقوى دليل على مصداقيته وكونه إنجيل يسوع المسيح ابن الله . ولكن هذا الكلام يقوله العلماء فقط عندما يكونون خالين من الأغراض ولا يبحثون بمنطق الغاية تبرر الوسيلة والحرب خدعة !!



اقتباس :
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أقول : لا يهمنا كم آمن ببطرس ولا يهمنا كم عدد الألوف التي كانت مجتمعة حوله ، ما يهمنا هو كم عدد الذين شاهدوا مرقس يكتب إنجيله ، وكم عدد الذين أخذوا إنجيله عنه ، فهل عندك عزيزي الراعي ؟؟

والمصيبة أن الزميل الراعي لا يستطيع أن يستشهد إلا بأسفار العهد الجديد الذين لا نؤمن به ، والذي كتبة أسفاره مجهولون .
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لقد كتب القديس مرقس إنجيل المسيح أمام مئات المؤمنين ولم يشك فيه أحدهم ولم ينتقد ذلك أحد إلا بعد ظهور نظريات النقد التي قامت أصلا على أساس إلحادي وعاد العلماء وأكدوا صحته وتأكدوا أنه أقدم وثيقة لإنجيل المسيح .
أما قرآنك والذي كتبه زيد بتكليف أبو بكر وعمر وبرغم من أنه كتبه بتكليف منهم ولن نناقش هذا لأنه لا قيمه عندنا فقد رفضه أتباع على وقالوا أنه ناقص حوالي 11 ألف آية !! بل والباقي بعد ذلك مبدل وناقص ومحرف !!
والإنجيل كتب أيضا أمام المئات والألوف وأنت تنكر ذلك ، أنت حر !! ولكن لم يقل مسيحي واحد لا في زمن تدوين الإنجيل ولا طيلة العصور التالية أنه تم تحريف حرف واحد منه .

عزيزي هل تستطيع أن تحضر لي وثيقة مسيحية كهذه الوثيقة التي تجزم بتحريف أي من الأناجيل الأربعة أو تنفي أن كاتب أحد أوده إنجيل المسيح الأربعة ليس هو متى أو مرقس أو لوقا أو يوحنا ؟؟!!

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