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بحث في إثبات أنّ كاتب إنجيل مرقس مجهول
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لا بل سوف أسهل عليك السؤال أكثر ولن أطلب منك ألوف ، بل أطلب منك شخصاً واحداً ، واحداً فقط لا غير يقول أنه رأى مرقس يكتب إنجيله ، أو أنّ مرقس أخبره بذلك ..

للأسف لا ولن تجد ، فإذا لم تجد فلا تقل أنه لم يكتب بالخفاء .

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عزيز هذا الأسلوب غير موضوعي وغير علمي بل هو أسلوب انتهازي ، فقد أنتشر الإنجيل في الكنيسة كإنجيل المسيح وتسلمه الناس كما تؤكد الشهادات القديمة من أيدي مرقس نفسه الذي كتبه بناء على طلبهم وسلمه لهم .

الزميل الراعي يرى مطالبتنا بالدليل اسلوب انتهازي ، يريد الناس أن تؤمن إيمان أعمى ، يعني يُقال لنا إن أول من ذكر مرقس ككاتب للإنجيل كان بعد وفاة مرقس بعشرات السنين ، يجب أن نقول شكراً هذه حجة دامغة والحق الذي لا يأتيه الباطل من بين ديده ولا من خلفه ، ولا يريد لأتباع الكنيسة أن يعملوا عقولهم ويفكروا كيف عرفوا وهم ولدوا بعد وفاة مرقس؟؟

لا يريدهم أن يسألوا كيف عرفوا وهم لم يكونوا معاصرين لمرقس ؟؟؟

يا عزيزي الراعي اتقي الله في نفسك ، فوالله إن الله سائلك يوم القيامة ، ولن يفيدك التكبر على الحق ، فلا عذر لك أمام الله ، فانظر لنفسك ماذا ترى .




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أن طلبك هذا يتجاهل الحق والواقع وينتهز الفرص والمواقف ، لقد كتب القديس مرقس إنجيل المسيح بناء على طلب من استمعوا إليه وإلى القديس بطرس وسلمه لهم ، وهذه شهادة التاريخ التي تناقلتها الأجيال .

يا عزيزي ذكر هذا الكلام ( أن مرقس كتب إنجيله بناء على طلب من استمعوا لبطرس ) كان في بداية القرن الثالث على أحسن تقدير ، فكيف تأخذ بقول مرسل من أناس ولدوا بعد وفاة مرقس بأكثر من مئة وأربعين سنة ؟؟

الهذه الدرجة تستخفون بالقضايا المصيرية ، لتأخذوا أي قول يقال وتجعولنه دينا يُتعبد به ؟


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لقد سبق وقال القديس بولس للوالي الروماني المعاصر له "  لأنه من جهة هذه الأمور عالم الملك الذي اكلمه جهارا إذ أنا لست اصدق أن يخفى عليه شيء من ذلك. لان هذا لم يفعل في زاوية " (أع26 :18).

عاد زميلنا ليستشهد بالعهد الجديد الذي كتبته كلهم مجهولون ليجعل منه حقيقة دامغة ، وهو في البحث العلمي لا شيء .

يستدل لمعرفة كاتب إنجيل مرقس المجهول بسفر كاتبه هو الآخر مجهول ، ألا بئس هذا من دليل .



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الإنجيل للقديس لوقا بإجماع العلماء غير الملحدين كتب حوالي سنة 60 ميلادية أي بعد صعود المسيح بحوالي 25 سنة واستخدمه تلاميذ الرسل واقتبسوا منه فور نشره ومن ثم فهو كان معروفا في الكنيسة في حياة رسل المسيح وتلاميذه وكان بين يدي خلفائهم . ومن ثم فهو من اقوي الوثائق الإلهية المكتوبة بالروح القديس لزمن المسيح وكان منتشرا في زمن تلاميذه .

تحاورنا من قبل حول إنجيل لوقا وأثبتنا أن كاتبه مجهول ، ولكن عاد الراعي ليستشهد بسفر مجهول ليعرف كاتباً هو الآخر مجهول .

دائماً يستشهد بما نحن فيه مختلفون ، يريد أن يفرض رأيه علينا كما يقال ( بالعافية ) ..

أتفهم موقفه ، فهو لا يملك أدلة تثبت الحق ، فمن الطبيعي أن يلجأ لكل ما هو باطل ليؤيد مزاعمه .


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 وكان إنجيل مرقس وبإجماع العلماء هو أقدم الأناجيل وقد كتب فيما بين 40 و50 ميلادية وأنتشر في الكنيسة في دائرة التلاميذ والرسل والكنيسة كلها وهذا أقوى دليل على مصداقيته وكونه إنجيل يسوع المسيح ابن الله . ولكن هذا الكلام يقوله العلماء فقط عندما يكونون خالين من الأغراض ولا يبحثون بمنطق الغاية تبرر الوسيلة والحرب خدعة !!

يا عزيزي دعنا من متى كتب الإنجيل ، وأخبرنا فقط من كتب الإنجيل بالدليل وليس بالحشو والتطويل الذي لا ينفعك .

ويقول ( انتشر في الكنيسة في دائرة التلاميذ والرسل والكنيسة كلها ) ، ما أسهل الكلام ورمي الكلام في الهواء من غير دليل .

انتشر بين الرسل والتلاميذ ، تفضل وقدم الدليل على إدعائك العري عن الدليل ، وإلا فكلامك هو كلام مختلق لا أساس له .


أما كلامك عن الغاية تبرر الوسيلة ، فهل تقصد ( إن كان صدق الله قد ازداد بكذبي لمجده فلماذا أدان انا بعد كخاطئ ) رومية ؟



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لقد كتب القديس مرقس إنجيل المسيح أمام مئات المؤمنين ولم يشك فيه أحدهم ولم ينتقد ذلك أحد إلا بعد ظهور نظريات النقد التي قامت أصلا على أساس إلحادي وعاد العلماء وأكدوا صحته وتأكدوا أنه أقدم وثيقة لإنجيل المسيح

هات لنا لو سمحت شخصاً واحداً معاصراً لمرقس رآه يكتب إنجيله أمام المئات ، فإن لم تفعل فكلامك ساقط مردود .


أما هذا الكلام :
اقتباس:أما قرآنك والذي كتبه زيد بتكليف أبو بكر وعمر وبرغم من أنه كتبه بتكليف منهم ولن نناقش هذا لأنه لا قيمه عندنا فقد رفضه أتباع على وقالوا أنه ناقص حوالي 11 ألف آية !! بل والباقي بعد ذلك مبدل وناقص ومحرف !!  
والإنجيل كتب أيضا أمام المئات والألوف وأنت تنكر ذلك ، أنت حر !! ولكن لم يقل مسيحي واحد لا في زمن تدوين الإنجيل ولا طيلة العصور التالية أنه تم تحريف حرف واحد منه .

عزيزي هل تستطيع أن تحضر لي وثيقة مسيحية كهذه الوثيقة التي تجزم بتحريف أي من الأناجيل الأربعة أو تنفي أن كاتب أحد أوده إنجيل المسيح الأربعة ليس هو متى أو مرقس أو لوقا أو يوحنا ؟؟!!

فالجواب عليه هنا ، لكي لا أعطيك فرصة لتشتيت الموضوع كالعادة :
http://www.nadyelfikr.net/viewthread.php?f...75046#pid275046



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