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بحث في إثبات أنّ كاتب إنجيل مرقس مجهول
سلام المسيح
العميد

أنت لم تبحث جيداً مع احترامي لشخصك فمركيون و رد ترتليان عليه يثبت صحة العهد الجديد و القديم

انا اعلم انك بحثت على النت و لم تجد شيء وإلا كنت أتحفتنا

مداخلتي السابقة كانت تحتوي على السؤالين التاليين

1_ ممكن أن تخبرنا من هو مركيون و ماذا قال عن الإنجيل ؟؟
الرد
دعنا نقرا من موقع إسلامي http://www.alhakekah.com/crucifixtion/m_2.htm
"تلميذ شهير لبولس، اسمه مركيون"
ها هو موقع اسلامي يقول ان مركيون تلميذ بولس الرسول..... ولكنه ضل و ترتليان و الكنيسة من قتلا بدعته بدراساتهم ..... سأقول لك كيف و أين تجد دراستهم .....


2_هل ترتليان (150 - 240) أول من رد على مركيون ؟؟؟
دعني اجيبك....
بعد ماركيون و قبل كتاب ترتليان العظيم (الذي لم تقرأه حضرتك و هو في صلب موضوعك) قرر أباء الكنيسة الرسمية في روما وضع لائحة رداً على بدعة ماركيون فوضعوا لائحة لكل الكتاب المقدس بل و تشمل تعليقات عن المؤلف ومحتويات كل سفر ، ولم يوافقوا على إي كتاب إلى إذا :
أولاً:الاستيقان من صحة مصدرها الرسولي ,
ثانياً : قيمتها في البنيان
و هي اقدم لائحة معترف بها كنسياً في روما بعد أن رفض ماركيون الكثير من الكتاب المقدس .
من كتاب المدخل إلى الكتاب المقدس . حبيب سعيد . دار النشر الأسقفية.


و لكني لم أسئل....
ما هي لائحة مركيون.؟؟؟؟
لائحة مركيون هي :إن كل هذه الاسفار التي نملكها غير موحى بها ما عدا إنجيل لوقا باستثناء فصليه الأولين, و عشر رسائل من رسائل بولس الرسول.

ما يهمني من هذا السؤال ؟
هو من هذا التاريخ هو أن في سنة 150 للميلاد أي بعد رقاد القديس يوحنا الإنجيلي أخر من رقد من الرسل الإثني عشر بفترة قليلة وجد شخص حاول أن يجمع الإنجيل في كتاب واحد و جمعه و تم ذكر ما جمع منه في كتاب واحد ولكنه رفض الباقي من الإنجيل فردت عليه الكنيسة في روما و ترتليان

النقطة الأكثر أهمية هنا هي أن أباء الكنيسة في ذلك الوقت جميعهم رفضوا هذا العمل مما يدل على معرفتهم بالكتب القانونية
فرد ترتليان عليه بكتاب كامل يثبت صحة كل سفر في الكتاب المقدس فلو قرات انت هذه الكتاب لما فتحت هذا الموضوع .......

و ردت عليه الكنيسة فوضعت لائحة لكل الكتاب المقدس بل تشمل تعليقات عن المؤلف ومحتويات كل سفر ، ولم يوافقوا على إي كتاب إلى إذا : أولاً:الاستيقان من صحة مصدرها الرسولي , ثانياً : قيمتها في البنيان
و ما ذلنا نملك هذه الردود
من كتاب الكنيسة و النقد الكتابي الحديث لمؤلفه "Veselin Kesich" تعريب الأب ميشال نجم

اذا قبل مجمع نيقية الذي اقر قانونية الكتاب المقدس
ظهر شخص وضع قانون لاسفار الكتاب المقدس .....
فردت عليه الكنيسة بجمع محلي (ليس مسكوني) فدمرت هذه البدعة لذالك لم تصبح بدعة عالمية ليقوم مجمع مسكوني ......

و ظهر ترتليان فكتب كتاب ضخم يفند فيه كل ما ذكر
و كل هذا حدث قبل 200 ميلادي أي بعد بضعة عقود من رقاد أخر الرسل الاثني عشر

و نحن لا نحتاج لسند فبعد رقاد اخر الرسل ببضع العقود من السنين وضع لائحة للكتاب المقدس و من وضع اللائحة ليسوا أطفال بل شيوخ كبار درسوا على يد الرسل أو الأباء الرسولين ......
و قلت حضرتك باستهزاء :
أولم تنسَ أن تسألني عن معلم إريناؤس وتاتيان وأوريجانوس وكل الآباء الأفاضل ؟
دعني اجيبك ....
معلم إريناؤس
ايريناوس أسقف ليون 140 - 202 تلميذ بوليكاربس تلميذ يوحنا اللاهوتي
فقرة مؤلفاته : البحث الذي يشغل المكان الأول بين مؤلفاته هو كتاب في 5 مجلدات. "ضد الهرطقات" و هو محفوظ في الترجمة اللاتينية إلى زماننا الحاضر يفند في هذا الكتاب الطرق الغنسطية ثم يدحضها مستنداً على الكتاب المقدس
أما البحث الأخر وقد اكتشف مؤخراً فهو "شرح البشارة الرسولية"
تأثير ايريناوس كان مهماً في عصره لأنه هو الذي قتل البدعة الغنسطية في صميمها و أسس اللاهوت المسيحي موطداً إياه على أساسين هامين : الكتاب المقدس و التقليد الرسولي وقد قال هذا الرسول إن الإنجيل ركيزة الإيمان و عاموده "ضد الهرطقات 2, 2"
وقد شدد هذا القديس على وجود أربع أناجيل دون زيادة أو نقصان"ضد الهرطقات 3, 8"
و كان يشدد على اتباع اقوال الأباء الرسوليين

معلم أوريجانوس
أوريجانس 185 - 255نعرف الكثير عن اريجانس و حياته
والده كان ليونيداس كان أول معلم له و مرنه والده منذ نعومة أظافره على الكتاب المقدس
آن أسقف الإسكندرية و أصبح يدير شؤون مدرسة الإسكندرية
مؤلفاته كثيرة جداً جداً جداً جداً
تنقسم مصنفات اوريجانس إلى فئتين : واحدة تفسير الكتاب المقدس بعهديه و أخرى لاهوتية وعقائدية
حفظ هذه الكتب في مكتبة القيصرية في فلسطين و استفاد منها فيما بعد ايرونيموس الذي ترجم الكتاب المقدس إلى اللاتينية
من كتاب الأقمار الثلاثة وآباء القرون الأربعة الأولى
تحياتي
11-22-2005, 12:42 AM
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