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بحث في إثبات أنّ كاتب إنجيل مرقس مجهول
العميد غير متصل
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بحث في إثبات أنّ كاتب إنجيل مرقس مجهول

اقتباس:  God_is_love   كتب/كتبت  
مركيون عرف الإنجيل ولكن لم يعترف  به...
و انا قلت لك لو قرأت ما كتبته أنا  "ما يهمني من هذا السؤال ؟"
أنا لا يعنيني مركيون شخصياً لكن عدم اعترافه بإنجيل مرقس ردود الأباء هي التي تعنيني

وأنا لا يعنيني ما قاله الآباء بل يعنيني دليلهم .



اقتباس:  God_is_love   كتب/كتبت  
ثانياً يبدو أنك يا عزيزي بحاجة إلى نظارات لتقرأ جيداً فأنا نقلت من  eeww2000  ان مركيون جمع العهد الجديد و لكن من قال ان مركيون هو تلميذ بولس الرسول هما د. منقذ بن محمود السقار و مجدي إبراهيم محرم

لا يفرق عزيزي كثيراً ، فمغزى كلامي لا يزال قائماً ، وسوف أصححه ، فأقول ( ليس من الأسلوب العلمي الصحيح عندما تريد إثبات أن مركيون تلميذ بولس - منذ ألفي عام تقريباً - أن تلجأ إلى ما قاله الأستاذ منقذ السقار في القرن الواحد والعشرين ) .




اقتباس:  God_is_love   كتب/كتبت  
و دعني اقترح عليك أمراً جديداً نبهتني انت عليه مشكور
اذهب ل eeww2000 و اسأله ما هو دليله ان مركيون جمع العهد الجديد ان لم يكن لديه دليل لماذا قالها ..؟؟

تفضل اذهب واسأله أنت .




اقتباس:  God_is_love   كتب/كتبت  
تقول
_________6
أين دليلك على أن آباء الكنيسة قبل ترتليان وضعوا لائحة بالكتب المقدسة ؟ أو بمعنى آخر ، ما هو دليل حبيب سعيد الذي تنقل عنه ؟
_________6
دليلي هو الكتاب الذي ذكرته لك إن لم يكن لديك اشتريه و أرسل سؤالك لصاحبه لأنه ذكر دليله

ما شاء الله !!!!

أقول لك أين دليل حبيب سعيد ؟ ، فتقول دليلي الكتاب الذي ذكرته لك ( أي كتاب حبيب سعيد) !!!

بالله عليك هل هذا جواب ؟؟؟

يعني إذا قال حبيب سعيد شيئاً ، فيصبح حقيقة؟

يا عزيزي إذا لم تعطِ الدليل على ما تقول فكلامك لا وزن له ، وكل واحد يستطيع أن يدعي ما يشاء وكيفما يشاء ولا يعجز عن الدعوى والمزاعم أحد ، لذلك وجب على المدعي أن يعطي الدليل ، وكل قول بلا دليل وبرهان فهو ساقط مردود .


اقتباس:  God_is_love   كتب/كتبت  
فنحن هنا لسنا في مدرسة و يجب على من يحاور أن يكون لديه إمكانية البحث و من ثم طرح رأيه في بحثه على أن يكون بحثه كامل أي أنه ملم بأطراف الموضوع  
فهل صدمت بما ذكره حبيب سعيد و أصبح كل ما تريده هو دليله
اعيد لك اسم الكتاب و دار النشر لمراسلتهم  
المدخل إلى الكتاب المقدس. دار النشر الأسقفية. القاهرة

يا عزيزي أنت لو عندك الكتاب أصلاً ، كنت ذكرت لنا دليله ( هذا إن كان يملك دليلاً أصلاً ) ، أو ربما أنك تعرف أنه لا دليل على كلامه ، فلذلك تحاول أن لا تجيب .

اقتباس:  God_is_love   كتب/كتبت  
تقول
_________7
ما هي الكتب التي ذكرتها اللائحة - على فرض ثبوت أن الآباء وضعوها - ؟
_________7
هل أعيد لك ما كتبته سابقاً  
لقد قلت لك أنها ذكرت أسفار الكتاب المقدس و أثبتت صحة نسبه الرسولي

يا عزيزي بالفعل معلوماتك ضعيفة جداً في هذه الأمور ، يا ليتك تتواضع قليلاً وتذهب وتقرأ بدل الكلام دون علم ودراية ، فأسفار العهد الجديد هي حصيلة تعرضت لمراحل تتطور خلافات حولها ، وظلت لقرون طويلة بين أخذ ورد ، وجزر ومد حتى استقر الحال على ما هي عليه ..


اقتباس:  God_is_love   كتب/كتبت  
تقول
_________8
رابعاً : قولك ( الاستيقان من صحة مصدرها الرسولي ) ، ما هي الطريقة التي اتبعوها للتثبت من مصدرها الرسولي - على فرض ثبوت أن الآباء وضعوا لائحة - ؟
_________8


أولاً انا لا املك المخطوطة و لكن أقول لك للمرة المليون أن تلاميذ الرسل و كحد أقصى تلاميذ الأباء الرسوليين  
و لكن قلت لك أن هذه اللائحة ، تشمل تعليقات عن المؤلف ومشتملات كل سفر

أهي مخطوطة إذن ؟؟
وأيضاً لا تملكها !!!!

طيب ألا تعرف ما فيها على الأقل ؟؟
إن كنت تعرف ما فيها ، فأخبرنا عن الطريقة التي اتبعها - المجمع وبابا روما - للتثبت من مصدرها الرسولي ؟

وإذا كنت لا تعرف ما فيها ، فكيف تحتج بما لا تعلم ؟؟؟

يا عزيزي واضح جداً أنك قرأت بضع كلمات من هنا وهناك ثم جئت لتصنع منها حواراً في هذا الموضوع ، فأنت لا تملك أي حجج ، سوى قال فلان في كتاب الفلاني ....


اقتباس:  God_is_love   كتب/كتبت  
ملاحظة هذه اللائحة تعتبر رداً على جميع مواضيع : من كاتب إنجيل .....

تقصد اللائحة الوهمية التي ليس لها أي وجود ، ولا أدري أهي من اختراعك أم من اختراع الموقر حبيب سعيد ؟؟؟


تحيـــــــــــــاتي

العميد
11-28-2005, 03:40 AM
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