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لقاء الوعي والتميز والفكر الحر مع الزميل Logikal
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عزيزي ساري الروح،

أولا هذه الافكار ليست من اختراعي، فأنا "راجل غلبان" كما يقول المصريون، لا علم لي إلا ما علمته من الكتب. ما قلته أعلاه هو آخر ما توصل إليه العلماء على ذمة المصادر التي لدي، و قد ناقشتها في خضم هذا الشريط ردا على الاستاذ "داعية السلام مع اللـه".
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قبل كل شيء أتمنى لك سنة جديدة مليئة بالفرح

لقد آثرت عدم النقاش بالتفاصيل لأن الموضوع هنا هو لقاء و ليس نقاش، و لكن إذا كنت ترحب بالنقاش هنا فسأكون مسروراً جداً بذلك.

إن تغير الزمن بحسب تغير السرعة يخضع لقوانين رياضية دقيقة، و لم يصبح أمراً مبهماً لا يمكن الاعتماد عليه أو تحديده، و إلا لما كان للإنجازات الفضائية الحديثة أن تكون. و يبقى هنالك الزمن السكوني، أي حيث لا تكون سرعة لا يكون هنالك تغير في الزمن، إن "الآن" نسبية و تتبع لسرعة حركة من يحدد هذه الآن، و لكن يوجد "الآن" الكونية.

من جهة ثانية حسب علمي جميع النظريات الحديثة قالت ببعد زماني واحد، و ليس هنالك من علماء الفيزياء وجد داعياً لافتراض أبعاد زمنية أخرى لا في هذا الكون و لا في أكوان أخرى.

و لهذا أجد أن السؤال ما زال مبرراً، هل الزمن أزلي أو له بداية؟

بالمناسبة أرجو أن تكون هذه المراجع التي تتحدث عنها كتب فيزياء حقيقية و ليس كتب فلسفة. مع احترامي للفلاسفة فإن كثيراً ما ألاحظ أنهم يسيئون فهم الفيزياء على حقيقتها، بل أرى أن علماء الفيزياء هم الفلاسفة الحقيقيين في زماننا.

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ثانيا، بالنسبة لسؤالك حول تعقيد الكون و اتخاذه شكلا معينا، أحيلك إلى الرابط الموجود في توقيعي "حوار: هل للكون خالق؟"، حيث ناقشت هذا الموضوع مع الزميل "العاقل" و طرحت فيه أفكاري حول القضية.
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ما ناقشك به العاقل كان حول النظام الذي في الكون، أي البساطة. و لو كنت دخلت أنا شخصياً في نقاش مثل هذا مع الزميل العاقل لكنت اختلفت معه كثيراً، النظام أو البساطة ليس وجوداً بل "لا وجود" للتعقيد، و لا تقول العقيدة المسيحية أو الإسلامية بأن الله قام بتنظيم وجود موجود أصلاً، بل قام بخلق الكون بدون الاعتماد على مادة أو طاقة موجودة، و من جهة أخرى إن العدم هو أكثر الأشياء بساطة و أكثر الأشياء تنظيماً!

مشكلة التعقيد أنه يأخذ شكلاً محددا، مثلاً إذا كان هنالك مربع قياس ضلعه صفر فهو يكافئ عدم وجوده، و لكن عندما يكون موجوداً فإن الضلع يجب أن يكون له قياس معين! و إذا اختلف الطول عن العرض في المربع فأصبح مستطيلاً فيجب أن يكون للفرق ( أو النسبة ) بين طولي الضلعين قيمة محددة! و في الكون الذي نعيش فيه هنالك عدد كبير جداً جداً من هذه التحديدات و يجب أن نعرف لماذا لديها هذه القيم المحددة.
طبعاً ستقول لي أن هذه التحديدات نتيجة لتغيرات و تفاعلات كثيرة عبر الطاقات و المواد و الزمن، و لكن من جهة أخرى لا يمكن أن ينتج التعقيد عن البساطة و سأشرح هذا بمثال واضح:

الطقس بدون شك حالة معقدة جداً، و لكنه ينتج عن تعقيدات موجود ة أدت إلى كونه حالة معقدة، من هذه التعقيدات ميلان محور دوران الأرض حول نفسها عن محودر دورانها حول الشمس، و اختلاف تعرض المناطق البعيدة و القريبة عن خط الاستواء لأشعة الشمس، الذي ينتج بدوره عن أن الشمس موجود في مكان محدد بالنسبة للأرض و هذا بحد ذاته تعقيد، و كذلك اختلاف توزيع اليابسة و الماء الذي يأخذ شكلاً معقداً، و اختلاف التضاريس الأرضية، و أمور أخرى كثيرة تؤثر في الطقس، فلو لم تكن هذه التعقيدات موجودة لما كان الطقس حالة معقدة. فالتعقيد لا ينتج عن البساطة، و وجود التعقيد في الكون يحتاج إلى تفسير. و أحب أن أسمع رأيك في هذا.

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