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بحث في إثبات أنّ كاتب إنجيل مرقس مجهول
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[QUOTE]الراعي كتب
5 - بابياس تمّ تكذيبه في أشياء عديدة ، فقد تمّ تكذيبه في موت يهوذا ، حيث يرويها هكذا :
( ولقد أصبح يهوذا مثالاً سيئاً على عدم التقوى في هذا العالم ، فلقد تضخّم جسده حتى أنّه لم يكن بمقدوره المرور حيث يمكن أن تمرّ عربة حنطور بسهولة ، ولقد دُهس بعربة حنطور حتّى انسكبت أحشاؤه خارجاً ) .
وهذا يناقض ما ورد في متىّ 27 : 5 ( فطرح الفضة في الهيكل وانصرف.ثم مضى وخنق نفسه) . وكذلك يوسيبيوس وصفه بأنه لا يحسن فهم ما يسمع كما مرّ معنا آنفاً في قضية الألف سنة لمملكة المسيح على الأرض بعد قيامة الأموات ، بل يصفه بقلة العقل والفهم (13) .
وكذلك رفضت الكنيسة الأرثوذكسية القبطية بشدة وعلى رأسها قداسة البابا شنودة الثالث ما قاله بابياس عن مرقس إذ يصفه بأنّه مترجم بطرس بينما ترفض الكنيسة هذا القول ، وكذلك قال عنه إنّه لم يسمع الرب ولم يرافقه ، والكنيسة تقول إنّه من الرسل السبعين الذين سمعوا الرب وعاينوه ، وكذلك قال عن إنجيل مرقس إنّه صياغة لما قاله بطرس من تعاليم ( أي مذكرات بطرس ) ، بينما تنفي الكنيسة الأرثوذكسية القبطية هذا الشيء .

ونقول للزميل كونه أخطأ في بعض المعلومات فهذا لا يلغي شهادته عن حقيقة عامة كانت معروفة للجميع ، وإذا كنا نرفض قوله أن القديس مرقس كان مجرد ترجمانا للقديس بطرس ، وهذا الكلام قاله غيره من الآباء ، فهذا لا يلغي شهادته ، بل نرفض تقليله من شأن القديس مرقس كشاهد عيان للمسيح ، ولكن لا يمنع كما بينت في الصفحات السابقة أنه أخذ الكثير من مما شاهده القديس بطرس وعاشه ، كما أخذ الكثير أيضاً عن بقية التلاميذ .

يقول الزميل الراعي ( كونه أخطأ في بعض المعلومات فهذا لا يلغي شهادته عن حقيقة عامة كانت معروفة للجميع )

قلت : كلام الزميل فيه تشويه للحقيقة ، ولقد رددت عليه سابقاً في المداخلة رقم 229 .

وأكرره هنا ( فزميلنا يحاول أن يصوّر للجميع أنّه في زمن بابياس ( قبل 130 ميلادي ) كان كل الناس يعرفون أن مرقس هو كاتب الإنجيل الثاني ، وأنا أتحدى الزميل بكل ودّ أن يأتي لنا بشخص واحد ، غير بابياس يذكر اسم مرقس ككاتب للإنجيل ، [COLOR=Green]وأكرر

وقول الزميل ( كونه أخطأ في بعض المعلومات فهذا لا يلغي شهادته) يريد أن يصور لنا به أنّ أخذهم طرف من أقوال بابياس وردهم منها مبني على الدليل والبرهان ، بينما هو في الحقيقة مبني على الهوى والعصبية لا غير ، فقول بابياس إنّ " مرقس لم يسمع المسيح ولم يصاحبه " يقلل من شأن الكنيسة القبطية الأرثوذكسية ، إذ أنّه يُخرج من يعتقدون أنّه كاروز الديار المصرية من بوتقة التلاميذ والرسل ، لذلك ترى الكنيسة القبطية تستميت في الدفاع عن رسولية مرقس ، ويبذلون المستحيل في إثباتها ، حتى كلّفهم ذلك تخطئة جميع آباء القرون الأولى للمسيحية الذين قالوا بهذا القول .

فهم يأخذون من بابياس ما لا يتعارض مع أهوائهم ، أمّا إذا تعارض فبابياس المخطئ وهم الصواب .

وللتوسع في مناقشة رسولية مرقس يُرجى مراجعة ما كتبناه تحت عنوان أضواء نقدية على مرقس الإنجيلي

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