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اقتباس:عزيزي أنا لم اتجاهل مدخلتك لكن الموضوع عن الناسخ و المنسوخ من القرآن أما عن تناقضات الكتاب المقدس فهذه تركناها للأخوة المسلمين و اللادينيين فهم أجدر منا برعضها و كل ما نفعله هو الرد عليها و توضيح عدم وجود تناقض بها .

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اقتباس:  مسلم سلفي   كتب/كتبت  
السلام علي من اتبع الهدي

الزميل عبد المسيح لماذا تجاهلت مداخلتي؟!!!!!


اقتباس:  مسلم سلفي   كتب/كتبت  
السلام عليم ن اتبع الهدي

الزميل عبد المسيح لماذا لا تقوم بعملية حصر للفقرات المنسوخة من كتابك المبجل اولا  

لماذ؟!!!!

لماذا  تري القشة في عين اخيك‚ ولا ترى الخشبة في عينك ؟!!  

ان كان هناك قشة اصلا في اعيننا  



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هل تعلم ماذا يعني مفهوم النسخ عن السلف الصالح؟  

اتحداك انك تعلم

يا عزيزي سلفنا الصالح كانوا يريدون بالنسخ ما قد يسميه المتأخرون تخصيصا للعام أو تقييدا للمطلق، أو تفسيرا للمجمل، أو غير ذلك، ولا يعنون به (رفع حكم شرعي بدليل شرعي متأخر) فقط كما هو عند الفقهاء.  
وهذا ما نبه عليه المحققون من أمثال الإمام ابن القيم الحنبلي، والإمام الشاطبي المالكي، وهذا في المغرب، وذاك في المشرق.  
يقول الإمام ابن القيم: "ومراد عامة السلف بالناسخ والمنسوخ، رفع الحكم بجملته تارة، وهو اصطلاح المتأخرين، ورفع دلالة العام والمطلق وغيرها تارة، إما بتخصيص عام أو تقييد مطلق، وحمله على المقيد وتفسيره وتبيينه، حتى إنهم يسمون الاستثناء والشرط والصفة نسخا، لتضمن ذلك رفع دلالة الظاهر وبيان المراد، فالنسخ عندهم وفي لسانهم هو بيان المراد بغير ذلك اللفظ، بل بأمر خارج عنه، ومن تأمل كلامهم رأى من ذلك فيه ما لا يحصى، وزال عنه به إشكالات أوجبها حمل كلامهم على الاصطلاح الحدث المتأخر".  
ويقول الإمام أبو إسحاق الشاطبي: "الذي يظهر من كلام المتقدمين أن النسخ عندهم في الإطلاق أعم منه في كلام الأصوليين، فقد كانوا يطلقون على تقييد المطلق نسخا، وعلى تخصيص العموم بدليل متصل أو منفصل نسخا، وعلى بيان المبهم والمجمل نسخا. كما يطلقون على رفع الحكم الشرعي بدليل متأخر نسخا، لأن جميع ذلك مشترك في معنى واحد". و ايضا للشيخ العلامة بن الباز كلام نفيس في كتابه فتح المجيد في شرح كتاب التوحيد عن معني مصطلح النسخ عند المتقدمين(السلف)


فمثلاً: كل لفظ جَاءَ في الحث عَلَى إقامة الصلاة فهذا لفظ عام يشمل جميع الْمُسْلِمِينَ، لكن الحائض والنفساء، لا تدخل في هذا اللفظ العام. إذاً هذا العموم يُخصُ منه الحائض والنفساء، ومثل: عتق الرقبة في الكفارات، فقد جعل في بعض الآيات مطلقاً وفي بعضها مقيداً بالإيمان، كما قال تعالى:: فَتَحْرِيرُ رَقَبَةٍ مُؤْمِنَةٍ [النساء:92] فذاك يسمى إطلاق وهذا يسمى تقييد  


انتهي












و تدبر قول بن القيم:

ومن تأمل كلامهم رأى من ذلك فيه ما لا يحصى، وزال عنه به إشكالات أوجبها حمل كلامهم على الاصطلاح الحدث المتأخر



فما بما ان دارس و فقيه مثلك يجهل هذا الامر فالموضوع اصلا منتهي



واقرأ ماقاله الامام الشاطبي في موافقته:

فإذا اجتمعت هذه الأمور ونظرت إلى الأدلة من الكتاب والسنة لم يتخلص في يدك من منسوخها إلا ما هو نادر



واقرأ ماقاله الدكتور مصطفى زيد - رحمه الله تعالى -

كما تبيّن لي أن المؤلفين في الناسخ والمنسوخ بين إفراط وتفريط فكثير منهم عدّ من النسخ ما ليس بنسخ ، كالتقييد والتخصيص والإجمال ، فلذلك جعلوا آية السيف بمفردها ناسخة لأكثر من مائة آية


ثانيا ياعبد المسيح اننت تجهل القاعدة الهامة وهي ان الجمع بين الدليلين مقدم علي النسخ

قال الشاطبي:

ووجه ثالث وهو أن غالب ما ادعى فيه النسخ إذا تأمل وجدته متنازعا فيه ومحتملا وقريبا من التأويل بالجمع بين الدليلين


واخيرا يا عبد المسيح عدد الايات المنسوخة وبقى خطه لن تجدها تزيد عن ست اة خمس آيات بعد التحقيق



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