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بحث في إثبات أنّ كاتب إنجيل مرقس مجهول
اقتباس:  العميد   كتب/كتبت  
 


اقتباس:أقول إن المرجع الكنسي الأساسي هو السلطة الكنسية أي المجامع الكنسية التي قد قررت أيها الكتب القانونية التي يجب الأخذ فيها، بجميع الأحوال إن صحة نسبتها لا تقدم و لا تؤخر في حقيقة كونها موحاة من الله. هذا هو الرد على من هو متشكك و ضعيف الإيمان.

المجمع الكنسي لم يقرر بعضاً من هذه كتب العهد الجديد إلا في القرن الرابع ، وهو طبعاً ترداد لما قاله بعض الآباء الأول ، فالعهدة ليست على هذا المجمع بل ما استندوا إليه .

فأنت لكي تكون عادلاً وباحثاً عن الحق ، يجب عليك أن تفحص أدلة المجمع وتنظر فيها ، ولا تأخذها دون نظر أو تدقيق .

ثم إن كان المجمع دليل بالنسبة لك فهو ليس كذلك عندنا ، ولا تنس أن المجامع هي التي قسمت النصارى إلى خلقدونيين ولاخلقدونيين بسبب الخلاف حول طبيعة المسيح .


اقتباس:أما المؤمن فيعرف أن هذا كلام الله من برهان الروح الذي وضعه الله فيه، لأن قراءة كلمات الانجيل تنير الذهن و تنعش الروح و هذا أكبر برهان لا لبس فيه.


هذا كلام عاطفي لا علاقة له بالبحث العلمي ، وماذا لو قال لك قائل ( إن قراءة كلمات الانجيل تظلم الذهن وتميت الروح و هذا أكبر برهان لا لبس فيه على بطلانه ) فبماذا تجيبه ؟




لم أفهم لماذا تعاود فتح الموضوع، لكن بالمناسبة لقد توقف نقاشي معك في هذا الموضوع بعد رد فظ تلقيته منك ( غير الرد أعلاه )لكن الرد أعلاه يحتاج لبعض المناقشة .

هنالك أمرين يجب تمييز أحدهما عن الآخر في هذه المناقشة و أنت تقوم بالخلط بينهما
1- الأمر الأول هو صحة نسبة كتاب بشارة مرقس إلى مرقس.
2 - الثاني هو هل ما جاء في الكتاب صحيح و هل هو بوحي الروح القدس كما يقول المسيحييون؟

إن الأمرين غير مرتبطين أبداً، فالثابت أن مرقس لم يكن من تلاميذ يسوع المباشرين، و يظهر ذلك أنه بعد انتحار يهوذا لم يختر التلاميذ الأحد عشر مرقس بين الذين اعتبروهم معاينين لكل الأمور التي تمت مع يسوع من أجل القرعة في انتخاب رسول جديد. إذن إن كون مرقس كاتب النص ليس دليلا على أن ما جاء فيه صحيح، و بالعكس إن كون مرقس ليس كاتب الانجيل ليس دليلا على أن النص ليس صحيحا و أنه ليس مكتوبا بوحي الروح القدس.

كذلك إن صحة نسبة البشارة لمرقس ليس حقيقة إيمانية، فيمكن أن يكون الشخص مسيحيا بدون أن يعترف بنسبة هذا النص ( لست أقر هنا لا من قريب و لا من بعيد أن النص ليس لمرقس ). العبرة هي فيما يقوله النص و كونه يتوافق و يبشر بالإيمان المسيحي.

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