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مناقشة لكتاب Die Richtungen der Islamischen Koranauslegung
العميد غير متصل
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مشاركة: #26
مناقشة لكتاب Die Richtungen der Islamischen Koranauslegung
أخي زيد بارك الله فيك وسدد خطاك

اقتباس:  رحمة العاملي   كتب/كتبت  
ولكنك لا تعلم سبب تضعيف بعضهم ليحي بن عبد الحميد  
....

سبب تضعيفه في التهذيب ؟
ان يحيى رضوان الله عليه  قال كان معاوية على غير ملة الاسلام  
هذا هو سبب تضعيف يحيى  
واشهد بالله ان يحيى الحماني صادق في قوله  
وقال الآجري قلت لابي داود: أكان يتشيع؟  
شوف تهمة التشيع  الجاهزة !

لا يا أخ رحمة ، ليس لأجل ما تقول ، ليس لأنه يتشيع ما تزعم ، فهذا الحافظ ابن حجر في التقريب قال عنه : "حافظ إلا أنهم اتهموه بسرقة الحديث " . فذكر جرحه بأنه يسرق الحديث وليس لأنه يتشيع ، فكم من راوٍ وُثق وروى عنه أهل السنة وهو يتشيع ، فالمتشيع إن كان صدوقاً فلا بأس بالرواية عنه .

أما سبب الجرح فقد ذكره ابن حجر وهو سرقة الحديث ، ففي السير للذهبي :
"قال حنبل: قدمت من الكوفة، فقلت لابي عبد الله: حدثنا يحيى الحماني، عن أبي عبد الله بحديث إسحاق الازرق، فقال: ما أعلم أني حدثته به، فلعله حفظه على المذاكرة .
وكذا سأل المروذي أحمد، فأنكر أن يكون حدثه، وقال: قولوا لهارون الحمال يضرب على حديث يحيى الحماني .
وقال أبو عبيد الآجري، عن أبي داود قال: حدث يحيى الحماني عن أحمد بحديث إسحاق الازرق، فأنكره .

قال عبد الله بن أحمد: قلت لابي: إن ابني أبي شيبة يقدمون بغداد، فما ترى فيهم ؟ فقال: قد [COLOR=Red]جاء ابن الحماني إلى ها هنا، فاجتمع عليه الناس، وكان يكذب جهارا
، ابن شيبة على كل حال يصدق.
وقلت لابي عن حديث إسحاق ، فقال: كذب، ما سمعته من الازرق إلا بعد ذلك، أنا لم أعلم تلك الايام أن هذا حديث غريب، حتى سألني عنه هؤلاء الشباب .
وقال أبي: ما كان أجرأه ! وقال: ما زلنا نعرفه أنه يسرق الاحاديث أو يتلقفها،


وفي تهذيب الكمال :
" قال سعيد بن عمرو البردعى : قال لى أبو عبد الله محمد بن يحيى النيسابورى : أخذت كتاب قيس من ابن الحمانى فرأيت على ظهره شيئا مضروبا عليه . قال محمد بن يحيى : فبلغنى أنه كان كتاب محمد بن الصلت و أنه كان ضرب على اسمه .
و قال محمد بن المسيب الأرغيانى : سمعت محمد بن يحيى يقول : اضربوا على حديث يحيى بن عبد الحميد الحمانى بستة أقلام .
و قال محمد بن عبد الرحيم البزاز :[COLOR=Red] كنا إذا قعدنا إلى الحمانى تبين لنا منه بلايا
.

عن عبد الله بن عبد الرحمن السمرقندى يقول : قدمت الكوفة ، فنزلت بالقرب من يحيى الحمانى ، فذاكرته بأحاديث سمعتها بالبصرة ، و من أحاديث سليمان بن بلال ، و كان يستغربها و يقول : ما سمعت هذا من سليمان . ثم أردت الخروج إلى الشام فأودعته كتبى و ختمت عليها ، فلما انصرفت وجدت الخواتيم قد كسرت . فقلت : ما شأن هذه الكتب و هذه الخواتيم ؟ فقال : ما أدرى . و وجدت تلك الأحايث التى كنت ذاكرته بها عن سليمان بن بلال قد أدخلها فى مصنفاته . فقلت له : سمعت من سليمان بن بلال ؟
قال : نعم .

و قال عبد الرحمن بن يوسف بن خراش : حدثنا محمد بن يحيى ، عن عبد الله بن عبد الرحمن السمرقندى ، قال : أودعت يحيى الحمانى كتبى ، و كان فيها حديث خالد الواسطى عن عمرو بن عون ، و فيها حديث سليمان بن بلال عن يحيى بن حسان ، و كنت قد سمعت منه " المسند " و لم يكن فيه من حديث خالد و سليمان حديث واحد ، فقدمت فإذا كتبى على خلاف ما تركتها عنده ، و إذا قد نسخ حديث خالد و سليمان ، و وضعه فى " المسند " . قال محمد بن يحيى : ما أستحل الرواية عنه .

و قال أبو جعفر العقيلى : حدثنا سليمان بن داود القطان بالرى : قال : سمعت عبد الله بن عبد الرحمن السمرقندى يقول : قدمت الكوفة حاجا ، فأودعت يحيى بن عبد الحميد كتبا لى


فسبب الجرح هو ما ذكرنا ، وليس كما زعمت ، وصحيح أنه وثقه البعض كابن معين رحمه الله إلا أن الجرح مقدم على التعديل إذا كان الجرح مفسراً ، فمن علم حجة على من لم يعلم .

وأما أن تشهد بالله بأن قول الحماني في معاوية صحيح ، فلا قيمة له ، فليس التقييم العلمي بشهادتك ، فكلنا نستطيع أن نشهد ، وما التوفيق إلا بالله

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