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ان المصطلح فى حد ذاته لا يثبت الوهية يسوع لانه ليس الوحيد الذى حمل هذه الصفة بل هناك كثيرين اهمهم ادم الذى اطلق عليه كاتب انجيل لوقا انه ابن الله
لوقا 3 : 38 بْنِ أَنُوشَ بْنِ شِيتِ بْنِ آدَمَ ابْنِ اللهِ.
و متى او كاتب انجيل متى يعتبر صانعى السلام ابناء الله
متى 5 : 9
9طُوبَى لِصَانِعِي السَّلاَمِ لأَنَّهُمْ أَبْنَاءَ اللَّهِ يُدْعَوْنَ.
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و هذا التعليق يظهر بتر النصوص و عرض آيات فقط دون آيات اخرى فالسيد المسيح لم يذكر عنه أن ابن الله ( فقط ) كما ذكر عن باقي المؤمنين
بل قيل عنه انه أبن الله ( الوحيد ) في أغلب المواضع , نراجع التالي :

يوحنا 1 : 14وَالْكَلِمَةُ صَارَ جَسَداً وَحَلَّ بَيْنَنَا وَرَأَيْنَا مَجْدَهُ مَجْداً كَمَا لِوَحِيدٍ مِنَ الآبِ مَمْلُوءاً نِعْمَةً وَحَقّاً. 15يُوحَنَّا شَهِدَ لَهُ وَنَادَى: «هَذَا هُوَ الَّذِي قُلْتُ عَنْهُ: إِنَّ الَّذِي يَأْتِي بَعْدِي صَارَ قُدَّامِي لأَنَّهُ كَانَ قَبْلِي». 16وَمِنْ مِلْئِهِ نَحْنُ جَمِيعاً أَخَذْنَا وَنِعْمَةً فَوْقَ نِعْمَةٍ. 17لأَنَّ النَّامُوسَ بِمُوسَى أُعْطِيَ أَمَّا النِّعْمَةُ وَالْحَقُّ فَبِيَسُوعَ الْمَسِيحِ صَارَا. 18اَللَّهُ لَمْ يَرَهُ أَحَدٌ قَطُّ. اَلاِبْنُ الْوَحِيدُ الَّذِي هُوَ فِي حِضْنِ الآبِ هُوَ خَبَّرَ.

بهذا اظهرت محبة الله فينا ان الله قد ارسل ابنه الوحيد الى العالم لكي نحيا به 1 يو 9:4

هكذا احب الله العالم حتى بذل ابنه الوحيد لكي لا يهلك كل من يؤمن به يو 16:3

و كما شرحنا من قبل أن السيد المسيح ذكر أنه ابن الله بمعنى الوحدة و المساواة مع الله و لهذا طلب اليهود قتله لأنهم فهموا معنى الكلام الذي يقوله جيدا و الدليل على هذا الآيات السابق شرحها من يوحنا 5 : 17 و أيضا الواقعة التالية من محاكمة السيد المسيح تثبت نفس الكلام

مرقس 14 : 60فَقَامَ رَئِيسُ الْكَهَنَةِ فِي الْوَسَطِ وَسَأَلَ يَسُوعَ: «أَمَا تُجِيبُ بِشَيْءٍ؟ مَاذَا يَشْهَدُ بِهِ هَؤُلاَءِ عَلَيْكَ؟» 61أَمَّا هُوَ فَكَانَ سَاكِتاً وَلَمْ يُجِبْ بِشَيْءٍ. فَسَأَلَهُ رَئِيسُ الْكَهَنَةِ أَيْضاً: «أَأَنْتَ الْمَسِيحُ ابْنُ الْمُبَارَكِ؟» 62فَقَالَ يَسُوعُ: «أَنَا هُوَ. وَسَوْفَ تُبْصِرُونَ ابْنَ الإِنْسَانِ جَالِساً عَنْ يَمِينِ الْقُوَّةِ وَآتِياً فِي سَحَابِ السَّمَاءِ». 63فَمَزَّقَ رَئِيسُ الْكَهَنَةِ ثِيَابَهُ وَقَالَ: «مَا حَاجَتُنَا بَعْدُ إِلَى شُهُودٍ؟ 64قَدْ سَمِعْتُمُ التَّجَادِيفَ! مَا رَأْيُكُمْ؟» فَالْجَمِيعُ حَكَمُوا عَلَيْهِ أَنَّهُ مُسْتَوْجِبُ الْمَوْتِ.


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لكى يكون يسوع الها و فى نفس الوقت ابن لابد ان يساوى الاب الذى ولده "حتى بالمعنى المجازى" و هذا مستحيل عقلا فلا يمكن ان يساوى الوالد المولود........مجازيا او فعليا............. و اذا افترضنا جدلا هذا التساوى فهل يستطيع الابن ان يرسل الاب ليصلب بدلا منه ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟ و ينجو الابن من عملية الصلب ..............؟؟ و هل يستطيع الابن ان يلد الاب ...................الله المستعان وحده
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مزيد من سوء الفهم للعقيدة المسيحية و لمفهوم ولادة الابن من الآب , الولادة الروحية ليست مجازية و لا مادية و لكنها ولادة الكلمة من العقل أو ولادة للريح من الهواء .

ولادة الابن من الآب كانت منذ الازل قبل كل الدهور كولادة الكلمة من العقل فالكلمة لا تكون بغير عقل و كذا العقل لا يكون له وجود بغير كلمة تعبر عنه .

كذلك وجد الابن منذ الازل لانه المعبلا عن ذات الآب و فكره فهو عقل الله الناطق .

كما ظلت الريح مستكينة داخل الهواء حتى جاء الميعاد المحدد و أرسلها الهواء و كما تظل الكلمة حبيسة العقل حتى تتجسد على الورق أو على شرائط الكاسيت أو على شاشات الحاسب كذلك ظل الابن في داخل الآب حتى جاء ملء الزمان و تجسد .

كاتب القرآن ظن خطأ أن ولادة الابن من الآب مثلها مثل الولادة الجسدية يعني الآب عشق امرأة و نكحها و أنجب منها ولدا و لهذا فالمولود غير أزلي و هو أصغر من أبيه الذي ولده و هذا الكلام الساذج أثبت به خطأ فهمه و جهله بالكتاب المقدس و عقيدته و تعبيراته الروحية ففهم كل شئ من منطلق ولعه بالنكاح و الجنس .

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