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بحث فى مصطلح ابن الله فى العهد الجديد
الزميل eeww
بل انصحك ان تضع الردود حتى بعد لو انسحبت من الحوار
علي الاقل ستجد من يراه نصرا و يهنئك
و ساكون سعيدا بهذا المنظر



تقول
Arrayو اطلب منك رجاءا عندما تنقل مداخلتى الا تذكر اسمى في المنتديات التى ستكتب فيها الرد
اجعله ردا بصفتى التى تراها مناسبة من وجهة نظرك ولا تكتب الاسم

و عندما اخبرك انى فعلت هذا قبل ان تطلب تقول ليس من حقى .!!!!![/quote]

و لكنك في منتداك يمكنك ان تغير من اسمى كما شئت
يمكنك ان تدع المهللين يسبونى
لهذا انا لا اكترث باي اسم ستضعنى هناك
اما ان يكون هذا هنا ؟

لاحظ اذن طلبى
تنقل مداخلتى الا تذكر اسمى في المنتديات التى ستكتب فيها الرد

هل ظهر لك انى اعطيك الحرية في تلك المنتديات فقط لاننى علي كل حال لن اكون فيها ؟
اما هنا !!!!!!!!!!!!


و تتهمنى بالتناقض لاشباع نظرياتك النفسية الداخلية ؟
يا اهلا بك


تقول
Arrayثانيا تتهمنى بالجهل بدينى هل هذا الجهل ينفعك فى اختفاء المصطلح محل البحث[/quote]
وهنا مربط الفرس

ولاحظ معى
جهلك بدينك لا ينفع في اختفاء المصطلح محل البحث
جهلك بدينك هو من جعلك تبنى نتيجة علي هذا الاختفاء( من بعض النسخ )

جهلك بدينك جعلك تظن ان اختلاف اقتباس عالم يدل علي التحريف ( و الي الان لم تفسير اختلاف ابن تيمية في البخارى و السنن )
جهلك بدينك يجعلك تظن ان نقص مخطوطة يسقط الثقة فيها (و هو ما اشتملت عليه معظم مداخلتك الاخيرة و كلها نفس الفكرة )
( و الي الان لم تفسر ليس نقص رواية بل تفرد راو مفرده في الرواية عن مالك عن محمد ( تفرد ايوب))

الموضوع ببساطة انك تقول ان الكتاب المقدس محرف للاسباب التالية
و نحن نقول ( فسر لنا مثيلاتها في الاسلام و لن يخرج قولنا - غاليا - عن تفسيرك الذي ستضعه انت للاسلام )


هل فهمت

هذا عن جهلك بالاسلام
فماذا عن جهلك بالمنطق و المغالطات التى تقع فيها ؟

ساترك لهذا مداخلة في النهاية فانت تقع كثيرا و كلما تكلمت كلما تكشفت سقطاتك


و لكن الفت النظر الي قولك العبقري

Arrayالذى اقصده من الترجمات الحديثة هى الترجمات التى تتبع النص اليونانى المسمى Nestle-Aland او Westcott-Hort Greek text . [/quote]

1- اتمنى ان تضع رابط قاموس كلمات سيادتك الخاص لكى نعرف ان الترجمات الحديثة هي ترجمات ويستكوت
2- انت لم تقل - في ترجمات حديثة - و يا ليتك قلتها بل قلت ( جميع الترجمات الحديثة ) فاثبت ان الترجمات التى انا وضعتها قديمة
3-انت تختار بعناية الترجمات التى تناسب و تطلق عليها (جميع الترجمات الحديثة ) مع ان بروس لم يحذف القراءة و ويستكوت حذف القراءة فهل القراءات علي بروس قديمة و علي ويستكوت جديدة ؟


و عودة الي بروس
تقول
Arrayلماذا لم تكمل الترجمة فرحت بكلمة "مؤيدة بقوة الى ابعد حد و لم تكمل لماذا ؟؟؟
بروس شاهدك انت يقول بعد ذلك :

yet because of the antiquity of the shorter reading and the possibility of scribal expansion it was decided to enclose the words within square brackets.
لماذا لم تترجم بقية كلام بروس انه يقول و لكن لاصالة او قدم القراءة القصيرة اى التى بدون ابن الله و لاحتمال الاطالة او التوسع بفعل الناسخ (فى القراءة المزيدة) قرر وضع المصطلح بين قوسين .....................[/quote]


1- انا لم اترجم من بروس بل وضعت نصه كاملا و ترجمت النتيجة الوحيدة الموجودة من نصه
( عدم امكانية الحذف لقوة التاييد )
2- بروس كما وضع سبب الشك امكانية الحذف وضح سبب الشك في امكانية الوجود و ان الحذف نتيجة لخطأ
may be due to an oversight in copying

هذه واحدة
الثانية

مرجحات الحذف
1- antiquity of the shorter reading
و انت ترجمتها ( اصالة - قدم ) وواضح ان هذا دليل واه
فالاصالة استقرائية
و القدم يعالج بمعالج نص ايريناؤس

فما معنى كونها سببا في ترجيح الحذف ؟
الا ترى ضعفه ؟

2-possibility of scribal expansion
و انت ترجمتها
لاحتمال [size=6]الاطالة
احتمال
هكذا الاحتمال اصبح دليلا لنحذف


باختصار استنتج العالم ان السببين السابقين اضعف من ان يقوما بحذف العبارة

و لم نضعها بين قوسين ؟
لانها غير موجودة في المخطوطة القديمة ( الاسكندرية ؟ )
و لكنها موجودة في المخطوطة الاقدم بكثير ( نص ارناؤس )



فهل يكفى الان هذا الرد المجمل على نقاطك ؟



نترك الفرصة لك لاستيعاب الموقف الجديد فها الامور تتضح شيئا فشيئا
اظن انك بدأت تردك ان امكانية التلعب ضيقة الي اقصى حد
و اظن ان اتهامك لي باننى اتلاعب الخ الخ هو اسقاط نفسي مقابل شدة وضوح مغالطاتك ان لم نقل اكاذيبك و تدليساتك


و لا احول مجرى الحوار و لكنى ابدا لن اتنازل عن ضرورة تقديمك لتفسير لنفس الظواهر التى تهاجمها و التى اظهرناها نحن في الاسلام لان ردنا الذي يشفيك سنجعله صورة طبق الاصل من الرد الذي ستراه مقنعا بخصوص النصص الاسلامية


انى اسير في طريق فكرى واضح مهما حاولت تشويهه فاعلن انك لن تجيب ان قررت الا تفعل




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