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أهلين عزيزي

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لماذا اغفلت نقطة التساوى قد تعبر الكلمة عن العقل و لكن هل تساويه لم ترد على هذه الجزئية هل الكلمة التى تخرج من العقل مساوية للعقل
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نعم تساويه بالطبع لانها صادرة منه و تعبر عنه .


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عندما اناقشك فى الامثلة يكون ردك انها تقريبية مادامت هى تقريبية فهى لا تصلح بالنسبة لى على الاقل لان اى مثل تضعه يكون به نقص
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هل هذا المثال بالنسبة لك تقريبي أملا ؟؟؟؟ بمعنى هل يصور الله بطريقة كاملة أم لا ؟؟؟؟؟؟


( اللَّهُ نُورُ السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ مَثَلُ نُورِهِ كَمِشْكَاةٍ فِيهَا مِصْبَاحٌ الْمِصْبَاحُ فِي زُجَاجَةٍ الزُّجَاجَةُ كَأَنَّهَا كَوْكَبٌ دُرِّيٌّ يُوقَدُ مِنْ شَجَرَةٍ مُبَارَكَةٍ زَيْتُونَةٍ لا شَرْقِيَّةٍ وَلا غَرْبِيَّةٍ يَكَادُ زَيْتُهَا يُضِيءُ وَلَوْ لَمْ تَمْسَسْهُ نَارٌ نُورٌ عَلَى نُورٍ يَهْدِي اللَّهُ لِنُورِهِ مَنْ يَشَاءُ وَيَضْرِبُ اللَّهُ الْأَمْثَالَ لِلنَّاسِ وَاللَّهُ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ) (النور:35)


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عموما اذا كنت تصر على مناقشة هذه الجزئية اختر اقوى مثل من وجهة نظرك و نتناقش فيه ..............
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الامثلة التي شرحتها لك هي أقرب أمثلة للتوضيح برأيي لعقيدة الثالوث .

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كو 3:8 والغارس والساقي هما واحد ولكن كل واحد سيأخذ اجرته بحسب تعبه.

بولس يقول الغارس و الساقى واحد و لكنهم مختلفين فى الاجرة و يستطيع الساقى ان يقول انا و الغارس واحد
و لكن الغارس تكون اجرته اكثر لانه تعب اكثر و لا تدل كلمة الساقى على التساوى ابدا.....
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ما علاقة هذه الآيات بالسؤال الذي طرحته عليك ؟؟؟؟؟

راجع الآيات مرة اخرى

كورنثوس الاولى 3 : 6 أَنَا غَرَسْتُ وَأَبُلُّوسُ سَقَى لَكِنَّ اللهَ كَانَ يُنْمِي. 7إِذاً لَيْسَ الْغَارِسُ شَيْئاً وَلاَ السَّاقِي بَلِ اللهُ الَّذِي يُنْمِي. 8وَالْغَارِسُ وَالسَّاقِي هُمَا وَاحِدٌ وَلَكِنَّ كُلَّ وَاحِدٍ سَيَأْخُذُ أُجْرَتَهُ بِحَسَبِ تَعَبِهِ. 9فَإِنَّنَا نَحْنُ عَامِلاَنِ مَعَ اللهِ وَأَنْتُمْ فَلاَحَةُ اللهِ بِنَاءُ اللهِ.

الرسول بولس يتكلم انه واحد هو و أبلوس لان هدفهما و فكرهما واحد و الله واحد هو الذي يحركهما لان كلاهما ( بشر ) و كلاهما ( مرسلين ) من قبل الله و اداة في يد العلي القدير و لكن هذا لا علاقة له بما قاله السيد المسيح لان ألرسول بولس لم يقل ( أنا و أبلوس و الله واحد ) .

أنت لم تجاوب على سؤالي بل راوغت حوله دون أجابة لهذا ساكرره :

هل سبق أحد و قال أنه و الله واحد في الكتاب المقدس سواء كان نبي ام رسول ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

و لاتعرض لي أمثلة يقول فيها بشر عن بشر انهم واحد .


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و كما قلت كل شهادات العالم كله لن تثبت اى شىء الا شهادة واحدة فقط هى التى تخرس كل الالسنة و هى شهادة الطفل الرضيع نفسه عليه السلام و كلامه فى المهد .

مجرد تكلمه فى المهد يقضى على اى شكوك من اى نوع و بصرف النظر عن ما قاله.
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و هذه الشهادة لا تؤكد الميلاد العذري بل تؤكد ان الطفل المولد سيكون له شان عظيم
( نبي أو رسول ) و لكنه لم يقل انا مولود من تلك المرأة فقط دون رجل و لهذا فكلامه في المهد ليس دليلا على الميلاد العذري .


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و هذه نقطة هامة جدا تحتاج الى مناقشة . و اختفاء اى تبرير لذلك و اختاء اى معجزة تثبت كلام السيدة مريم الصديقة يدعو للعجب لماذا لم يبرىء الانجيل السيدة مريم امام اليهود .....؟؟؟؟؟؟
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و لماذا يبرئ أمرأة متزوجة لرجل و هو القديس يوسف النجار ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

اليهود لم يشكوا أصلا في السيدة العذراء لانها كانت ( مكتةوب كتابها ) بحسب الطقس اليهودي أي متزوجة شرعا حتى و لو لم يمسسها القديس يوسف النجار .


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قال برا بوالدتى و لم يقل بوالدى و قال انه عبد الله و مباركا و نبيا فلا يمكن ان يكون ابن زنا .............
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و من الممكن أن يكون والده توفى قبل ولادته و لم يقل صراحة أنه مولود من أمه فقط .



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عندما تختفى فتاة عدة شهور و تعود تحمل رضيع الا يدعو هذا للشك و السؤال من اين هذا الرضيع و عندما يتكلم من المهد تضيع كل الشكوك.......
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و لا يقير الشك و لاشئ لأنه من الممكن ان تكون ببساطة مسافرة عند أحد من أهلها أو أقربائها و هذا الطفل هو طفل لقيط وجدته في الطريق و تحننت عليه و رغبت في تربيته كابنها , طالما لم يروها و هي حامل أذا لا ربط بينها و بين الطفل و من الممكن أن تجد لهم
ألف تفسير .

المشكلة تحدث عندما يرون بطن فتاة غير متزوجة ترتفع و تعلى من آثار الحمل .

هل ترى الآن كيف أن القصة القرآنية غير منطقية و غير مترابطة .


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المعجزة التى يكون الغرض منها اثبات النبوة فى حالة سيدنا موسى يجب ان تكون فى عز الضهر كما قلت.
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و معجزة المشي على الماء هكذا لم تكن لاثبات النبوة لان هذا كان شئ معروف لدى التلاميذ بل كانت معجزة خاصة بالتلاميذ وحدهم لتقوية عزيمتهم في العواصف التي تعرضوا لها في بحر الجليل .

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