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[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
سؤال هام هنا هل تعتبر التجلى هو الظهور او بمعنى اخر هل الله ظهر فى الجسد ام تجلى فى الجسد ام لا فرق عندك ............................!!!!!! سؤال اخر يستحق التفكير و التامل .................
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لا فرق التجلي هو الظهور و راجع حادثة تجلي السيد المسيح لبطرس و يعقوب و يوحنا و تجدها في متى 17 .


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
و اقول هل هناك فرق بين لاهوت الابن و لاهوت الاب
[/quote]

فرق في الوظيفة و الدور و ليس في الذات .


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
و اذا كانت الاجابة انه لا فرق و هو لاهوت واحد اذن ما دخل الابن و ناسوته فى الموضوع ؟؟؟
[/quote]

لان الابن فقط هو الذي اتحد بالناسوت و ليس الآب و هذا لا يعني انفصال لاهوت الابن عن الآب .



[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
و اذا قال احد بعد تفكير انه يعبد لاهوت الاب وحده لانه لا لاهوت غيره هل تقول له هناك لاهوت اخر هو لاهوت الابن ام هل تقول له هناك لاهوت اخر متحد معه و مساويه هو لاهوت الابن دعك من الروح القدس الان
اذن فى النهاية هو لاهوت واحد ..........................
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كلام مكرر سبق الرد عليه و قد قلت لك ان هناك لاهوت واحد هو الرب ( يهوه ) ( أيلوهيم ) آله اسرائيل هذا اللاهوت هو الآب ( بمعنى الاصل ) و هو الابن و هو الروح القدس ( المعزي ) .

كلمه الآب وحده لا لاهوت غيره و كأنك تقول لبيك الآب لبيك هي كلمة غير صحيحة لان الآب هو أحد مسميات أو شخوص أو أقانيم ذلك اللاهوت الواحد الرب آله ابراهيم و اسحق و يعقوب .


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
لم ترد على سؤالى انا سؤالى كان :
الترجمة العربية تقول عن استيفان انه يدعو و يقول اما ترجمة الملك جيمس قتقول انه يدعو الله و يقول اى ترجمة صحيحة و لماذا حذفت الترجمة العربية كلمة الله لفظ الجلالة .
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و هل نحن ندعو احد غير الله ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
فكانوا يرجمون استفانوس و هو يدعو و يقول ايها الرب يسوع اقبل روحي
و النص الانجليزى يقول و هو يدعو الله و يقول ..........
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لماذا لا تكمل الآية عزيزي ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

لماذا لا تكمل بدلا من النقاط التي تضعها ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

هل رأيت كيف تبتر الآيات ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

النص الانجليزي يقول : و هو يدعو الله و يقول أيها الرب يسوع أقبل روحي

يعني دعا السيد المسيح بالله .

هل رأيت كيف أنك تأخذ نصف الآيات فقط و تحذف بقيتها .


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
لم توضح اين التخبط ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟
انت تستشهد برؤية استيفان و انا ارفضها للاسباب الاتية:
[/quote]

التخبط انك قلت ان عبارة ابن الله لم يقلها سوى مجانين او شياطين و قدمت لك الآيات التي تؤكد أن الملاك الذي ظهر للعذراء قالها
و قالها أيضا السيد المسيح عن نفسه و قالها له المولود أعمى و لم تجاوب على تلك الآيات فلماذا ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

هل ترى أين الآن أين التخبط و المراوغة ؟؟؟؟؟؟


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
خامسا استيفان يقول ان موسى هو الفادى و ليس يسوع و يسوع لم يحصل على لقب فادى فى العهد الحديد كله استيفان يعطى هذا اللقب لموسى ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟.
[/quote]

و فعلا موسى كان فاديا لانه أفتدى شعبه من أرض العبودية و نقلهم لارض الميعاد تماما كما سيخرج السيد المسيح المؤمنون به
من هذا العالم الشرير لارض الميعاد الجديدة ملكوته السماوي .

ألم تقرأ كيف أن الله قال لموسى انه سيقيم للعبرانيين نبيا مثله في نبوءة واضحة عن السيد المسيح .


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
هل نعبد المحيط ام نعبد الامواج او التيارات و كم نوع من التيارات عندنا كيف تجعلهم ثلاثة .
و المحيط ليس به تيارات و امواج فقط به ماء ساكن و رمل و اسماك و حيتان و قواقع و مدن و سفن غارقة و ما لا حصر له ...................................هل تستطيع ان تحصر المحيط فى ثلاثة اقانيم فقط .
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و هل يوجد أنفصال بين التيارات و الامواج و المحيط أم ان كلها عبارة عن حركات ذاتية داخلية ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

أما الاسماك و الحيتان و القواقع فهي محاطة بالماء و لكنها لا تدخل في تكوينه تماما كما نعيش نحن البشر و المخلوقات كلها
محاطين باللاهوت دون ان ندخل في تكوينه .

اللاهوت بأقانيمه = المحيط بحركاته الذاتية من أمواج و تيارات و دوامات

المخلوقات = الاسماك و القواقع و السفن الغارقة .


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
و من مثالك لا مفر لنا من عباده المحيط وحده بكل ما فيه .............و انت من المثل السابق اذا كنت تعبد المسيح من دون الله فكانك تعبد موجة من دون المحيط و يكون اسمك عبد الموجة او عبد الدوامة اليس هذا هو المثل الذى تذكره ؟؟؟؟؟
[/quote]

كلام غير سليم لاننا نعبد الله وحده دون ان نعبد خليقته التي فيه .

[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
لماذا تعبد الدوامة فقط
[/quote]

أنا اعبد كامل المحيط آب و ابن و روح قدس .


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
هل رايت الى ماذا توصلنا هذه الامثلة الارضية ؟؟؟؟؟؟
[/quote]


تقرب لنا فكرة اللاهوت و الفداء .


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']
طبعا انت تجاهلت كل هؤلاء و تقول انى مخطىء لا باس مخطى ممكن من وجهة نظرك لكن انا ذكرت لك مراجع تؤيد كلامى . و لكنى لست مخطىء فى اصل النقطة و هى ان اليهود اتهموا يسوع.
[/quote]

كلام مكرر سبق الرد عليه و لم تعلق على الآيات التي تقدم بها الاخ فانسي هني و هي تقريبا نفس الآيات التي عرضتها عليك و رأيت بها كيف أن الكل كان يدعو يسوع ابن يوسف أو ابن النجار فلماذا تجاهلت كل هذه الادلة ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

لا ضرر عزيزي في أن يعترف الانسان بخطأ تعليق معين او وجهة نظر لديه حتى و لو كانت حول نص ديني .


[quote name='eeww2000' date='Apr 27 2007, 06:19 AM' post='420162']

تقول:
لوقا 3 : 23وَلَمَّا ابْتَدَأَ يَسُوعُ كَانَ لَهُ نَحْوُ ثَلاَثِينَ سَنَةً وَهُوَ عَلَى مَا كَانَ يُظَنُّ ابْنَ يُوسُفَ بْنِ هَالِي

هل ترى الآيات جيدا : على ما كان يظن ابن يوسف و هو ما يؤكد كلامي أن اليهود كانوا يعتقدون أن يوسف هو والد يسوع البشري .
[/quote]

أنت الآن تناقض نفسك و تعليقك هذا يؤكد ذلك أنت تقول أن كلامك يقول أن اليهود كانوا يعتقدون ان يوسف هو والد بيسوع البشري
ثم ترجع و تقول انهم اتهموا السيدة العذراء بالزنا فكيف يتهومنها بالزنى و هم يعتقدون ان زوجها هو والد طفلها ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

أين هو الاتهام بالزنى أذا ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

هل قال النص أن بعض اليهود أتهموها و البعض لا أم قال أن الجميع كانوا يعرفون السيد المسيح بأنه ابن يوسف ؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟؟

ولك السلام و التحية
عبد المسيح

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