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لاحظ .. ان الاية القرآنية تلزمك انت، لكن لا تلزم من يريد "التعرض" للاديان، وعليه فالاتيان بها كمحل شاهد هنا لا يصح، اما لو قست معيارها باعتبار اخلاقي - ولا أرغب بالدخول في مفهوم "الاخلاق" الان - فمفهوم "الاخلاق" لا يصح قياسه كميزان في اطار ابداء الرأي .. وهذه الانسانة ابدت رأيا مهما يكن هذا الرأي..

لكن أخشى ما أخشاه من هذا الموضوع عزيزي، ومن خلال رفعكم موضوع "وفاء سلطان كقميص عثمان - هذا بعد ان بيّن الكثير من الزملاء العلمانيين موقفهم المعارض لاسلوبها-، اخشى ما أخشاه ان يكون بابا لتقييد مطلق أي نقد للدين بحجة شرط "الاخلاق" - الذي تفضلت بسوقه -، وبالتالي فلا غرابة بعد فترة، ان يطلب من العلماني او الملحد الذي يريد تناول شيئا من الدين بالنقد، شهادة حسن سير وسلوك من الازهر او قم .. وغيرهما ..

ثم اخشى ما أخشاه أكثر، ومن خلال تعرضكم لشخصها - بحجة انها لم تأت بشئ يستحق الرد - وكأن الكثير من فقهاء المسلمين يأتون بدورهم بأي شئ عند نقدهم الالحاد او العلمانية - ان ينقلب هذا بمعيار آخر على العلمانيين، بحيث تضعفون موقف الحيادي منهم، او من نظر الى خطابها نظرة استهجان وتبرؤ، وتجبرونه من خلال تعرضكم هذا وتعريضكم بسيرتها، للدفاع عنها، لا لشخصها ولا لآرائها، بل لحقها بابداء الرأي لا اكثر، الامر الذي يوصل حكما إلى تكريسها بطريقة أو بأخرى كممثلة للعلمانيين والعلمانية، .. وبصراحة أشك أن هذا هو هدفكم.. ودليلي عليه تلك الهجمة التي لم تنته الى الان على الرغم من كل المواقف التي اطلعنا عليها جميعا

على كل الاحوال .. هذه "الانسانة" لا تمثل الا نفسها، وان كانت بآرائها "الفارغة" تترك ثلمة في شعوركم اتجاه دينكم، فاتمنى واقعا ان تعيدوا نظركم في هذا الدين

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