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(( فقد اعتبره الفلاسفة من قبل مجرد رموز تدل على معانٍ عقلية أو روحية وأنكروا مادية الوقائع ))
و
(( فالغرض ليس الرمز في ذاته بل هو المنفعة الحاصلة منه في الحياة العملية وإعلان ذلك بأسلوب التخييل ))
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فهل قال: ابن سينا وابن رشد هذا الكلام أم ان المدعو "حسن حنفي" يكذب علينا كما كذب علينا "بسام الجمل" و "إبراهيم فوزي"؟؟؟!!!

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تحياتي زيد
اسف على التدخل و لكن وقفة بسيطة قبل ان تكمل


بالفعل قال ابن سينا و ابن رشد هذا الكلام
فانك ستجد الغزالي في تهافت الفلاسفة ينتقد ابن سينا عندما يقول

(( في ابطال انكارهم لبعث الاجساد .... وجود الجنة و حور العين ... و قولهم ان كل ذلك امثلة ضربت لعوام الخلق , لتفهيم ثواب و عقاب روحانيين , هما اعلى رتبة من الجسمانيين ))

الغزالي , تهافت الفلاسفة , ص 282

و يمكنك ان تراجع رأي ابن سينا في ( رسالة اضحوية في امر المعاد ص 50 ) عندما يقول
(( ان الشرائع واردة لخطاب الجمهور بما يفهمون , مقربا ما لا يفهمون الى افهامهم بالتشبيه و التمثيل ))
و قبله في ص 45
((اذا كان الامر في التوحيد هكذا , فكيف فيما هو بعده من لامور الاعتقادية))


اما عن ابن رشد فيمكن بسهوله تتبع مواقفه من خلال ( تهافت التهافت ) و الذي هو مرآه لتهافت الغزالي



بل اكثر من هذا اقول ان فكرة ( الرمز ) هي فكرة ( التأويل ) عند اهل السنة صحيحا عن بعض الصحابة و اغلب العلماء حتى البخاري فضلا عن القرطبي و الطبري , ثم اعتمادها بشكل اساسي عند الاشاعرة , ثم الاعتماد عليها فقط عند المعتزلة و علماء الكلام

فلا غرابة في ان يكون هذا هو موقف الفلاسفة

فطالما عبر الله عن هيبته - مثلا - ب ( قدم و ساق ) , او عن علمه ب ( وجهه ) , فلا يمنع ان يعبر الله عن ( الثواب و العقاب ) ب ( طوفان نوح ) مثلا



و يأخذ هذا الموقف كل من عارض عقله حرفية النص
فلماذا لو اثبت العلم ان اصابة جيش ابرهة كان ب ( الحصبة )
ستكون هنا ( طير الابابيل ) كائنات حاملة للجراثيم

و عندي ان كل هؤلاء مؤمنون , بل و مخلصون لايمانهم
و لما كانت الحقائق العقلية - على الاقل من وجهة نظرهم - ثابته لا تقبل الشك , جاز تأويل المعنى الديني الي مجازه ( الرمز \ المثل )


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04-24-2008, 04:26 PM
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