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نعم انه ليس زمن حوار الاديان بل زمن تعدد الآلهة فى صورة جديدة
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ماذا تقصد بأشخاص مسلمين أتخن مني؟ أنا لا أعرفك أساساً وأنت لا تعرفني ، فتكلم عن نفسك ياحبيبي عندما تجري مقارناتك.

فمن أنتَ أصلاً أمام هؤلاء حتى تراجع أقوالهم وتحاول الاستدراك عليها؟؟ ماهي مؤهلاتك الفقهية والدينية مقارنة بمؤهلاتهم الفقهية وفهمهم الواسع لمقاصد الدين وأحكام الشرع بل وإجماعهم على هذا الأمر؟؟
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وما دمت لا اعرفك ولا تعرفنى , فكيف استطعت ان تكتب تلك الجمله " من انت اصلا؟؟"

انا الشيخ على جمعه مفتى الديار المصريه ,,, انا الشيخ محمد سيد طنطاوى شيخ الازهر ,,, انا الدكتور محمد عماره المفكر الاسلامى ,,, انا الدكتور محمد سليم العوا ,,, انا الشيخ الشعراوى ,,, ايه ؟؟؟ عندك مانع؟؟

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هل تحاول الاحتجاج عليهم ورد أقوالهم بنصوص الكتاب والسنة؟؟ طيب وهل تظنهم يعني جـــــمـــيعــاً لا مؤاخذة مغفلين أو عميان أو طرشان أو حمقى لم يقرأوا وينتبهوا جيداً ويتدبروا في الآيات التي قرأتها حضرتك أو لربما أنهم يفترون على نبيهم ودينه ويفتون على إلههم بغير علم ولا حياء ولا خجل لمصالح خاصة وتصفيات مع مخالفيهم؟؟ فـبـئس الأحبار هم إذاً.. وبئس الفقهاء هم إذاً!
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مفيش مانع من بئس وبئس بتاعتك دى , ولكن مش بئس الدين ...

يعنى انا عمال اجيبلك ايات من القران تثبت عدم قتل المرتد , واحاديث ومرويات عن الرسول تثبت عدم قتل المرتد , وكتب لعلماء يؤكدون على عدم قتل المرتد , وان الرسول لم يقتل مرتدا واحدا الا ان يكون مرتد حربى , حتى انه قبل شفاعه عثمان ابن عفان فى عبد الله ابن ابى سرح اللذى استجار بعثمان بعد ان اهدر النبى دمه لانه ارتد وحارب ضد المسلمين , ولم ينهر عثمان ويقول له اتشفع فى حد من حدود الله ؟؟ والله لو ان فاطمه بنت محمد ارتدت لقطعت رقبتها , تماما كما قال لزيد عندما جاؤه يتشفع للمراه المخزوميه اللتى سرقت , فقال له : اتشفع فى حد من حدود الله ؟؟ والله لو ان فاطمه بنت محمد سرقت لقطعت يدها, الا انه قبل شفاعه عثمان وعفا عن ابن ابى سرح , مما يثبت ان قتل المرتد ليس حدا من حدود الله.

جاى انت تقولى شافعى ومالكى واحمد وابو حنيفه؟؟

الم تسمع عن الايه اللتى تقول "فَإِن تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِن كُنتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الآخِرِ ذَلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلاًِ" ؟؟

وها نحن قد اثبتنا ان الرسول لم يقتل مرتدا الا ان يكون مرتد حربى , حتى انه عفا ايضا عن المرتد الحربى , لو انت شاطر بقه هات من القران ما يثبت ان هناك مايسمى بحد الرده , وابعد عن "البؤساء " على حد تعبيرك.


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لأ .. ما أقوله ليس عنترية ، بل هو دفاع عن النفس ضد من يؤمن بقتلي وهو حق مشروع.

من يؤمن بحد الردة إن كان لا يريد أن يقتنع ويغير رأيه فهو حـر. لكن إن وقع في يدي فلا يلومن إلا نفسه فقط إن علمتُ أن مسألة التخلص منه يمكن أن تُجاز وتُـدبر بدون أن يكشف ذلك أحد. وأنا بصراحة مش بتاع مناقشات وجدالات دينية سخيفة وغبية لامعنى لها عندي أساساً ولا أعترف بها. أنا إنسان عملي ومباشر.



لكن أن يكون من بين اختلافكم اليوم تناول حق المرتد في الحياة فهذه مهزلة وخط أحمر لا يصلح أبداً للنقاش والتشكيك حوله. هنا القــوة وحدها فقط من يجب أن تُستخدم حتى تخرس الألسنة إلى الأبد. معذرة ، أنا لا أؤمن بالحوار والتفاوض في هذا الحق البديهي.
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طيب انت لا تريد ان تناقش وتدخل فى جدالات دينيه سخيفه على حد تعبيرك , وتؤمن بالقوه التى يجب ان تستخدم لاخراس الالسنه الى الابد , وتقول انك انسان واقعى وعملى ومباشر , اذا فلنتكلم بواقعيه وعمليه ومباشره....

واقعيا ان تعيش فى المملكه العربيه السعويه ( حيث انك ذكرت السلطات والهيئات الدينيه فى بلادك وتلك ليست موجوده الا فى السعوديه) وتلك المنطقه من العالم لم تتعرض على مدار التاريخ كله لاى غزو خارجى , فقد مر على التاريخ امبراطوريات وقواد عظام ولم يستطع احد او يفكر اصلا فى غزو واحتلال تلك المنطقه , من اول الاسكندر المقدونى مرورا بالفرس والرومان ومن بعدهم الانجليز والفرنسيين , حتى الامبراطوريه العثمانيه فلم تسيطر على وسط الجزيره , مما يعنى صعوبه اى غزو خارجى حاليا او مستقبلا فى تلك المنطقه واللتى تشمل المقدسات الاسلاميه , واللتى هى محميه حمايه مباشره من الله سبحانه وتعالى كى لا يتم تعطيل احد فروض الاسلام الخمسه الا وهى فريضه الحج ( او هكذا اعتقد .....)

فانتظارك لغزو خارجى لبلادك , او استخدام لاسلحه الدمار الشامل ضدها هذا امر بعيد المنال وصعب التحقيق , وحتى وان تحقق فلن يكون اليوم او غدا , وربما لن يحدث قبل انقراض هذا الجيل على الاقل.

اذا فعمليا انت مرتد وتعيش وسط قوم يؤمنون بحد الرده كما تؤمن انت به , ولو علموا بردتك فحتما سيقتلونك , وانت فرد وسط مجموعه , وان كان هناك مرتدين مثلك فهم ايضا افراد وسط مجموعات , اى انكم مشتتين , وربما لا يعرف بعضكم بعضا , حيث يخشى احدكم ان يبوح بسره لاحد فتكون نهايته العاجله والسريعه.

فتقول :لكن إن وقع في يدي فلا يلومن إلا نفسه فقط إن علمتُ أن مسألة التخلص منه يمكن أن تُجاز وتُـدبر بدون أن يكشف ذلك أحد

هل انت جاد فى ذلك؟؟
الا تعرف فى محيطك كله مسلم واحد؟؟
انت ربطت الاسلام بحد الرده وفقط , فهل لاتعرف مسلم واحد فى محيطك؟؟
والدك مرتد؟؟ شقيقك مرتد ؟؟ ابناء عمومتك مرتدون؟؟ والدتك وشقيقتك مرتدات؟؟ جيرانك مرتدون ؟؟
لماذا لا تتخلص منهم بذبحهم كالنعاج والتمثيل بجثثهم؟
وان كنت تخشى ان يكشف ذلك احد ؟؟ فاين هو الوقوف على المبدا والثبات عليه؟؟ عندما يتم القبض عليك فقل لهم انك مرتد , وان هؤلاء يؤمنون بقتل المرتد , فالتهمتهم فى الغداء قبل ان ياكلونى فى العشاء !!
وتستطيع ايضا ان تقول لهم انك تدافع عن نفسك ضد من يؤمن بقتلك , وهذا حق مشروع.
وبهذا تكون قد نلت الشرف والفخر اللذى تنتظره , وتبقى مروحتش بلاش , بالعكس ... هتكون اخدت فى طريقك 1 او 2 او 3 او 4 ممن يؤمنون بحد الرده , وانت وشطارتك علك تستطيع قتل 100 قبل ان تموت.

ليس امامك خيارات اخرى , فاما ان تمتلك المبادره بقتل من لايؤمن بحقك فى الحياه , واما انتظار الكفار اصحاب اسلحه الدمار الشامل ليضربوا بها السعوديه ليشتعل العالم حربا من اقصاه الى اقصاه , وتستطيع وقتها ان تقوم بدورك المقدس فى الدعم اللو جيستى والمخابراتى , واما الخيار الثالث وهو ان تصمت
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