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RE: █▓▒░ هـل هناك تنـاقض فـي ترتـيـب الخلـق بالـقـرآن الكـريـم ؟؟ ░▒▓█
اقتباس:ومثله:
السماء الدنيا فيها نجوم ومصابيح.
فعندما يقول: والسماوات فيها النجوم والمصابيح.
فاولا: الجملة الثانية قد تعني إن احدها فيها دون الآخر.
ثانيا: لعلها فيها نجوم ومصابيح ايضا ولكن ليس هي هي التي في سماء الدنيا
فلا تناقض

التناقض الموجود ليس بسبب القول بوجود النجوم في طبقة دون أخرى .. سواء موجودة في طبقة واحدة - السماء الدنيا - أو في كل الطبقات فالتناقض ما زال موجوداَ.. لأن:
1- في فصلت : عبر عن السماء بشكل شامل بكل طبقاتها ومنها الطبقات التي توجد بهاالنجوم.
2- في النازعات : استخدم لفظ"السماء" مقرونا بتوضيح لطبيعة هذه السماء فقال :

((( وأغطش ليلها وأخرج ضحاها )))

وقد سبق إيضاح أن هذه العبارة تعني بشكل قاطع أن السماء موضع الحديث تحوي النجوم ، لأن السماء لم يظهر فيها الضوء إلا مع بدء تكون الأفران النووية في النجوم .. وبذلك يكون التناقض محققاً كأوضح ما يكون ، حتى بعد كل التكلف في التأويل إلا أن السياق يشير بجلاء إلى هذا التضارب القرآني سواء بين الآيات وبعضها أو بين القرآن الكريم والحقائق العلمية.


اقتباس:والباقي مجاب عليه.

في الحقيقة لا أجد أي إجابات.. فها قد اتضح أن الحركة الألبية تتناقض مع ما ورد في القرآن الكريم ، واتضح أنه لا يمكن القول بأن الجبال نشأت قبل وبعد تسوية السماء ، وهو ما يؤدي إلى التناقض السابق ذكره بين فصلت والنازعات حول تعاكس تسوية الأرض والسماء في كلتا الآيتين.
أنا Solitude..

اقتباس:عزيزي Solitude
اعتذر عن التاخر على الرد بسب نزلة برد.

أهلاً بالأخ الصفيّ ، وأتمنى أن تكون بصحة جيدة الآن..

اقتباس:و الان بتامل بسيط يمكنك ان تسنتج بان............
و في ايات المجموعة الثالثة حيث ترد كلمة السماء / السموات سابقة لكلمة ارض و معطوفة عليها بحرف الواو يكون المقصود هو سيار الارض فقط حيث السنة 12 شهر او يرزق الانسان من سماء سياره. لا بد يا زميلي لاي متدبر للقران ان يسال نفسه لماذ تتبدل صيغ استخدام كلمة السماء و السموات مرة مع الارض و مرة بدونها و مرة سابقة لكلمة ارض و مرة تالية. لا يمكن ان يكون الامر اعتباطا

بعد التأمل البسيط الذي طلبته مني وجدت الآتي..
أولاً:
لا يوجد أي دليل يفيد صحة هذا التقسيم بل هو تخصيص للألفاظ من عندك لا أكثر.. ولا يوجد مفسر قال بهذا التقسيم..
ثانياً:
لا يوجد دليل على أن قول "السموات والأرض" يعني الأرض وغلافها الجوي.. بالعكس هو يتعارض مع صريح القرآن !! حيث يقول مثلاً :
أ - ((( جنة عرضها كعرض السموات والأرض )))
هذه الآية تنسف ما تقول تماماً.. فالمقصود بجمع السموات و الأرض بيان مدى الضخامة الهائلة التي لا يتصورها بشر .. ووفقاً لتخيلاتك فالله يقصد هنا بالسموات "الغلاف الجوي".. أي أن الجنة عرضها كعرض الأرض وغلافها الجوي..!! وهو بالطبع ما لم يقل به عامي من عوام المسلمين فضلاً عن علمائهم.. فالجنة الإسلامية في القرآن والسنة بالغة الضخامة فوق الأرض والسموات السبع.
ب- ((( السموات والأرض وما بينهما )))
هذه الآية أيضاً يهدم ما تقول .. فعبارة "ما بينهما" تنفي أن يكون المقصود بالسموات الغلاف الجوي فلا يوجد فاصل بين الأرض وبين الغلاف الجوي، بل إن الغلاف الجوي يعد - علمياً - طبقة من طبقات الأرض..!
ج - ((( في ستة أيام )))
كيف يكون خلق الأرض وغلافهاالجوي في ستة أيام ، رغم أنه يقول "وزينا السماء الدنيا بمصابيح "..! متى خلق تلك المصابيح إذن رغم انتهاء الأيام الستة المحددة للخلق..!
د - هناك آيات أخرى كثيرة تنسف ما تقول إلا أن هذا يكفي..
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