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RE: █▓▒░ هـل هناك تنـاقض فـي ترتـيـب الخلـق بالـقـرآن الكـريـم ؟؟ ░▒▓█
اقتباس:اولا هذه الصيغ حتى و لو استخدمها العرب و لا املك دليلا على ذلك مؤكدا, فان القران اعطاها معان اصطلاحية خاصة به.ثانيا انا قلت بان الصيغة ( السموات و الارض / السماء و الارض) وحدها تخص الارض و سماءها/ سمواتها ( غلافها الجوي) و لم اقل كل الصيغ و وضعت لك الادلة شواهدا ايات القران نفسه:

1- القرآن نزل بلغة العرب ويخاطب العرب فكيف يستخدم مصطلحات لم يستخدموها هم ؟؟
2- لم تأت بأي دليل يقوي موقفك أو حتى يؤيده.! بل لم تأت لنا بقول مفسر واحد اعتمد هذا التقسيم..!
3- التقسيم الذي وضعته سبق تفنيده بآيات القرآن نفسها ، بالإضافة لما تفضل الأخ بني آدم بإيراده:

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1 - ((( جنة عرضها كعرض السموات والأرض )))
هذه الآية تنسف ما تقول تماماً.. فالمقصود بجمع السموات و الأرض بيان مدى الضخامة الهائلة التي لا يتصورها بشر .. ووفقاً لتخيلاتك فالله يقصد هنا بالسموات "الغلاف الجوي".. أي أن الجنة عرضها كعرض الأرض وغلافها الجوي..!! وهو بالطبع ما لم يقل به عامي من عوام المسلمين فضلاً عن علمائهم.. فالجنة الإسلامية في القرآن والسنة بالغة الضخامة فوق الأرض والسموات السبع.
2- ((( السموات والأرض وما بينهما )))
هذه الآية أيضاً يهدم ما تقول .. فعبارة "ما بينهما" تنفي أن يكون المقصود بالسموات الغلاف الجوي فلا يوجد فاصل بين الأرض وبين الغلاف الجوي، بل إن الغلاف الجوي يعد - علمياً - طبقة من طبقات الأرض..!
3 - ((( في ستة أيام )))
كيف يكون خلق الأرض وغلافهاالجوي في ستة أيام ، رغم أنه يقول "وزينا السماء الدنيا بمصابيح "..! متى خلق تلك المصابيح إذن رغم انتهاء الأيام الستة المحددة للخلق..!
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أضف لذلك الآيات الكثيرة التي أوردها العزيز بني آدم ، وهي تتناقض تماماً مع ما تقول..:

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1- ومَا خَلَقْنَا السَّمَاءَ والأَرْضَ ومَا بَيْنَهُمَا لاعِبِينَ (16)

هنا طبعا حسب تقسيمك يقصد سماء الأرض فقط أما بقية الكون فلا ينطبق عليه الكلام ولو كان تقسيمك صحيحا( قرآنيا ) لكانت الآية وما خلقنا الأرض والسموات أو والسماء وما بينهما لاعبين

2- وكذلك آية : أَلَمْ تَعْلَمْ أَنَّ اللَّهَ يَعْلَمُ مَا فِي السَّمَاءِ وَالأَرْضِ إنَّ ذَلِكَ فِي كِتَابٍ إنَّ ذَلِكَ عَلَى اللَّهِ يَسِيرٌ (70)
3- وكذلك : ومَا مِنْ غَائِبَةٍ فِي السَّمَاءِ والأَرْضِ إلاَّ فِي كِتَابٍ مُّبِينٍ (75)
هل الكتاب يشمل فقط ما يجرى فى سماء الأرض ؟!!

4- وكذلك :ومَا خَلَقْنَا السَّمَاءَ والأَرْضَ ومَا بَيْنَهُمَا بَاطِلاً ذَلِكَ ظَنُّ الَذِينَ كَفَرُوا فَوَيْلٌ لِّلَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا مِنَ النَّارِ (27)

5- وكذلك : سَبَّحَ لِلَّهِ مَا فِي السَّمَوَاتِ والأَرْضِ وهُوَ العَزِيزُ الحَكِيمُ (1)
فهل التسبيح فقط مقصور على هؤلاء فأين باقى الخلائق والأكوان

6- وانظر لهذه الآية ايضا :
قَالَ يَا آدَمُ أَنْبِئْهُم بِأَسْمَائِهِمْ فَلَمَّا أَنْبَأَهُم بِأَسْمَائِهِمْ قَالَ أَلَمْ أَقُل لَّكُمْ إنِّي أَعْلَمُ غَيْبَ السَّمَوَاتِ وَالأَرْضِ وَأَعْلَمُ مَا تُبْدُونَ وَمَا كُنتُمْ تَكْتُمُونَ (33)

فهنا - حسب تقسيمك - يقصد سماء الأرض فهل هو مقبول أن الله يحدث آدم وهما فى الجنة ويخبره أنه يعلم غيب السماء الدنيا فقط أم كان الأولى أن يقصد السموات والكون جميعه خاصة أنه فى الجنة فووووووق ولم يكن آدم قد نزل الى الأرض بعد

7- وكذلك انظر لهذه الآية :
وسِعَ كُرْسِيُّهُ السَّمَوَاتِ والأَرْضَ ولا يَئُودُهُ حِفْظُهُمَا وهُوَ العَلِيُّ العَظِيمُ (255)

أى ان كرسيه يتسع لسماء لا تمثل واحد على مليار مليار مليار من الكون فأى محاججة تلك وأى فخر هذا بل الأولى انه يقصد السموااااااات كلها فهذا اتساع كرسية وهذه الآية كسابقاتها تنسف تقسيمك المفترض المتمحل واعذرنى

8- أَفَغَيْرَ دِينِ اللَّهِ يَبْغُونَ ولَهُ أَسْلَمَ مَن فِي السَّمَوَاتِ والأَرْضِ طَوْعاً وكَرْهاً وإلَيْهِ يُرْجَعُونَ (83)
أيضا غير مقبول ان يقصد هنا السماء الدنيا فقط لأنه يتحدث عن اطاعة الكائنات والأكوان له فكيف تقصرها على السماء الدنيا فقط !! غير مقبول ولا معقول طبعا

9- يَسْأَلُونَكَ عَنِ السَّاعَةِ أَيَّانَ مُرْسَاهَا قُلْ إنَّمَا عِلْمُهَا عِندَ رَبِّي لا يُجَلِّيهَا لِوَقْتِهَا إلاَ هُوَ ثَقُلَتْ فِي السَّمَوَاتِ والأَرْضِ لا تَأْتِيكُمْ إلاَّ بَغْتَةً

هل يقصد فى هذه الآية ان الساعة ستقوم فقط على السماء الدنيا طبعا غير معقووووول

10- قُلِ انظُرُوا مَاذَا فِي السَّمَوَاتِ والأَرْضِ ومَا تُغْنِي الآيَاتُ والنُّذُرُ عَنْ قَوْمٍ لاَّ يُؤْمِنُونَ (101)

ويَوْمَ يُنفَخُ فِي الصُّورِ فَفَزِعَ مَن فِي السَّمَوَاتِ ومَن فِي الأَرْضِ إلاَّ مَن شَاءَ اللَّهُ وكُلٌّ أَتَوْهُ دَاخِرِينَ (87)
هل يقصد هنا ان الفزع سيكون قاصرا على السماء الدنيا وأن نفخة الصور لن تتجاوز الغلاف الجوى للأرض !!
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