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اقتباس:ما هو غير صحيح يا زميلي؟ انت قلت القران لن يستخدم مصطلح لم تعرفه العرب , و صححت لك فهمك بان كلمة ( وحي) عند العرب كانت تعني الالهام و لكن القران اعطاها معنى جديد هو كلام الله تعالى للبشر, فما هو الغير صحيح؟
التعبير ( السموات و الارض) تقول بانه يستحيل يعني الارض و غلافها الجوي , رغم انني بينت لك اكثر من مرة الفرق بين التعبيرات المختلفة ( السموات و الارض) و ( السموات العلا) و ( الارض و السماء) فماذا افعل اكثر من هذا لاثبت لك بان تعبير السموات العلا هو الذي يعبر عن الضخامة و الاتساع مقارنة بتعبير ( السموات و الارض) و الذي وضعت لك نصا واضحا يقول فيه بان السنة تساوي اثني عشر شهرا عند بداية خلق السموات و الارض ,مقارنة بنصوص تقول بان الزمن في السماء ( بعد غير السموات) اليوم فيه يساوي الف سنة. و الجميع يعرف بان السنة تساوي اثني عشر شهرا فقط على سيار الارض. فلماذ الاصرار على المغالطة يا سيد سوليتيود؟

الغير صحيح هو تفسيرك الشخصي وتقسيمك للكامت القرآنية بالمزاج وليس وفقاً للسياق الذي جاءت به أو المعاني اللغوية التي فسر بها أهل اللغة والتأويل.. وقد سبق إيراد ذلك :

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سياق القرآن نفسه في التعامل مع المصطلح.. فعبارة "السموات والأرض" تأتي في كل القرآن للتعبير عن مدى الضخامة والاتساع مما يجعلها من المستحيل أن تأتي بمعنى الأرض وغلافها الهوائي..! هذا في الواقع من نسج خيالك لا أكثر . أما القرآن فيستخدم العبارة بمعنى آخر تماماً..

- ولله جنود السموات والأرض.
- الله نو رالسموات والأرض
- ولله ما في السموات و وما في الأرض.
- جنة عرضها كعرض السموات والأرض.
- يعلم ما في السموات وما في الأرض وما بينهما.
- خلق السموات والأرض في ستة أيام ثم استوى على العرش.

إلخ.. عشرات الآيات التي تنسف ما تقول تماماً..
والحقيقة أنك تتكلم عن قرآن آخر ودين آخر جديد وليس عن الدين الإسلامي وقرآنه الذي بين أيدينا الآن..


اقتباس:اولا انت تعرف بانني لم اخالف المعجم اللغوي و تعبت من عرض ما في المعاجم من معان كلمة سماء لك.

وقد سبق أيضاً تفنيد ما تفضلت بالإتيان به أكثر من مرة..:
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معاني لفظ السماء المرتبط بالأرض لا تتعارض مع بعضها أصلاً فهي كلها نفس المعنى ، ولا يجوز تخصيص المعانى وتعديدها طالما ليس هناك ما يميزها عن بعضها البعض بشكل لغوي حاسم بحيث يتناقض كل معنى مع الآخر..
1- الغلاف الجوي الذي يحوي السحب والطيور هو ذات المكان الذي يحوي أيضاً النجوم والشمس والقمر لأنه ببساطة لا يوجد غطاء فاصل يمنع اتصال السماء القريبة ببقية السماء..
2- فعندما تقول "الطيور تسبح في السماء" فهذا لا يتعارض مع قولك " الشمس تسبح في السماء" ومن ثم لا معتى لقولك بأن السماء في الجملة الأولى شيء والسماء في الجملة الأخرى شيء آخر.. بل كلاهما ذات الشيء.. الطيور تسبح في موقع منخفض .. أما الشمس فتسبح في مستوى أعلى بكثير جداً جداً عن المستوى السابق.. فلا تعارض .. ومن هنا تنهدم الأطروحة التي تفضلت بها.
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اقتباس:ثالثا المعان التي نتحدث عنها لم يكن في مقدور التفاسير القديمة ادراكها لعدم تقدم الكشوفات العلمية في زمان هؤلاء المفسرين و هم اخذوا بمعارف زمانهم و التي ثبت عدم صحتها اليوم فما ذنب النص القراني لياخذ بقصور العلم في ذلك الزمان؟

المشكلة هنا أن تأويلاتك لا تتفق مع أي علم.. لا ديني ولا جيولوجي.. وقد سب قأن وضعت بنفسك رابطاً يتناقض مع ما تقوله..!

هذا الرابط يقول يأن البيوسفير والهيدروسفير جزء من الأرض.. ليس هذا فحسب بل يقول أن الغلاف الجوي نفسه جزء من الأرض..!! فعن أي علم تتحدث ؟!
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