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من يسيء إلى الإسلام؟ ومن هو المجرم الحقيقي؟
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RE: ن يسيء إلى الإسلام؟ ومن هو المجرم الحقيقي؟
اقتباس:برهوم

مقالتك تنتقد الاسلام و تؤكد أن العلة في النص الذي أنتج و فرخ قتلا و دماء و ارهابا ..

هالة: شو قصتك معي يا بنت الناس؟ 103

أول كلامك لي هو أني "أنتقد" ... وأنتقد من؟ الإسلام؟

أول كلامك لي يا هالة هو "اتهام" والاتهام ليس حوارًا يا عزيزتي.

أنا قدمت قراءتي الشخصية ومن حقي أن أقدم قراءة شخصية تنفرد بي ولكن هذه القراءة ليست مجال لكيل الاتهامات لي وخاصة من واحدة مستنيرة مثلك لتقولي لي إني "أنتقد الإسلام" ... وأنت خير من يعلم وقع مثل هذا الكلام على المسلم عامة.

اقتباس:طيب يا عزيزي ما الفرق بين نص فرخ قتلا و ارهابا و نص فشل في تقويم أتباعه فكانوا استعمارا و قتلا و ارهابا أيضا؟ و هم الغرب المسيحي لكني أرفض ذلك التوصيف لأنه رأسمالي و ما الدين الا

مطية و قناع.

ما الفرق؟؟

وهل أنا هنا يا هالة في صدد المفاضلة بين نص ونص آخر؟ أم أني أقول أن هناك واقع يجب مواجهته؟

وهل أنا أدعم استخدام النصوص يا هالة لدعم الاستعمار؟

وعلى الرغم أن كلمة استعمار كلمة بذيئة يا هالة ولكن أؤكد لك أنه حيث عربت خربت يا هالة وأنت تعلمين هذا الكلام جيدًا. لولا الاستعمار لما تعلمنا أي شيء في مصر على الأقل. لن أكتب لك أطروحة عن محاسن الاستعمار ولكن لك أن تبحثي في حسنات الحملة الفرنسية على مصر مثلا وهذا ما ندرسه في كتب التاريخ في المرحلة الابتدائية بمصر.

استعمار وما أبصر ما أدري شو؟ خلاص يا هالة.. نخليها عربان ومزابل!! أنت ساكنة وين هسا يا هالة؟ لو أن بلادنا نضيفة من الأساس ما يجبرني ويجبرك على ترك بلادنا والتي هي فردوس الله في أرضه؟ ارجعي للبلاد العربية واتركي بلاد المستعمرين!!

اقتباس:و أنت حين تهاجم دينا تهاجم لغرض ليس البحث عن العقلانية و الأفضل و الحضارة كما تدعي لأن هذا غير باين حيث ان استبدال خزعبلة بأخرى و عمل دعاية للمسيحية أو اليهودية ليس سعيا لأفضل

أهاجم دينًا؟ هل تظنين أن الحياة واقفة عليك وعلى هالدين يا هالة؟ هذا الدين لا يحتل أدنى مساحة من تفكيري الشخصي. عندي هواياتي الشخصية واهتماماتي الخاصة وهذا الدين لا يؤثر على مجرى حياتي حتى أهاجمه أو أتضرر منه وأركز عليه.

وأنت بكل بساطة تقولين وبمنتهى السخف: "وأنت حين تهاجم دينًا".

هل المطلوب أن نخرس نهائيًا حتى تستريحي يا هالة؟ هل المطلوب أن نحتفظ بأراءنا لأنفسنا ونكتمها في الصدور حتى لا تقول هالة علينا أننا نهاجم؟ على فكرة إنتي إنسانة غريبة جدًا يا هالة.

وتتهميني أني "أهاجم" الإسلام ليس للبحث عن العقلانية والأفضل وإنما لـ.....

نعم؟ أفندم؟ وبأي حق تحكمين على دوافعي يا هالة حتى تقولين إني أضمر هذه النية أو تلك؟

للعلم يا هالة.. أنا مصدوم منك أكثر من أي واحد دخل هذا الموضوع لأني توقعت منك أكثر من ذلك بكثير. كان بوسعي أن أضع المقالة هنا وأتركها وشأنها ودون اكتراث لأي تعليقات لأني لا أريد سماع تعليقات وما تفرق معي بالمرة حيث أني أكتب أفكاري وأخرجها وأضعها في النت في المواقع التي أكتب فيها... ولكن لأني سبق وأن حاورتك وبيننا شيء من الود سابقًا عبرت لك عن صدمتي من طريقة ردك وحكمك الشخصي على نواياي. اختلافك معي في الرأي لا يضرني بالمرة وإنما إصدارك الأحكام هو ما أنا متأفف منه كل التأفف. أورفورا عزيزتي هالة. شالوم.

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