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من يسيء إلى الإسلام؟ ومن هو المجرم الحقيقي؟
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RE: ن يسيء إلى الإسلام؟ ومن هو المجرم الحقيقي؟
الزميل بهجت؛
أجد نفسي مضطرا للرد على ما كتبت كونك شملتني بالخطاب.

(03-05-2010, 05:31 PM)بهجت كتب:  الأخوة الزملاء .
الأعزاء .. أبو نواس .. أسامة مطر .. إبراهيم ( طبعا) .
مهلآ يا سادة .
لا أعتقد أن كل نقد يعني استهداف .
هل قال أحد، ممن توجهت إليهم بالحديث، إن كل نقد يعني استهدافا !؟..
مقولتك هذه تعلمناها في روضة الأطفال. ولقد كان الأولى بك أن تشير إلى "النقد" الذي رآه بعضنا، أو كلنا، استهدافا.


(03-05-2010, 05:31 PM)بهجت كتب:  بعض ممن انتقد المقال بشكل سلبي هو بالأساس لا ديني! ، و معظمهم صديق قديم لإيراهيم مثلي ، و كثير منهم ينتقد الإسلام بشكل ربما يكون أشمل و أعمق و أغزر
هات لنا واحدا ممن "انتقد" المقال فكتب "جاء في المقال كذا وكذا وأنا أقول كذا وكذا".
اكتب، من فضلك، على شكل اقتباس لا من بنات أفكارك.
حين ستبحث عن هؤلاء ولا تجدهم، تعال واعتذر من القارئ لأنك حاولت أن "توهمه" بخرافة "النقد" هذه.


(03-05-2010, 05:31 PM)بهجت كتب:  كانت لنا ( بهجت مثلآ ) موضوعات عديدة تنتقد الإسلام و ما يسمى الصحوة الإسلامية ..
هل هذا يمنع أن يضيف أحد الزملاء، ابراهيم أو سواه، موضوعا إلى "موضوعاتكم العديدة"!؟.. وهل تظن أن كل من يدخل المنتدى يعرف أن لك، أو لسواك، موضوعات في هذا الشأن أو ذاك !؟


(03-05-2010, 05:31 PM)بهجت كتب:  هناك فارق بين النقد الموضوعي في إطار رؤية علمانية أو لا دينية شاملة ،و بين النقد المغرض في إطار سجال طائفي
هل قال أحد، ممن وجهت لهم الحديث، غير ذلك !؟
وهل منعك أحد من "نقد" الموضوع من خلال رؤية علمانية أو لا دينية شاملة أو من خلال أية رؤية تشاء !؟..
فلماذا لم تفعل !!


(03-05-2010, 05:31 PM)بهجت كتب:  من يكتب في نادي الفكر عليه أن يكون .. ( بلا بلا بلا .. )
ألا تعتقد، يا زميل، أن هذه الـ"عليه أن يكون" مضحكة؟.. ومتناقضة مع حرية الفكر ؟



(03-05-2010, 05:31 PM)بهجت كتب:  مشكلتنا مع سياق الأخ إبراهيم و نظرائه هي (كذا وكذا .... ).
ما دمت تدعي أنك تقدم نقدا للموضوع، ألم يكن الأولى بك أن تدع مشكلتك مع "سياق" الأخ ابراهيم جانبا، فتكتب: " هو قال كذا وكذا وأنا، الناقد، أقول كذا وكذا.."
حينها سيصدق القارئ أنك تنتقد "أفكار" الأخ ابراهيم .. لا "سياقه" ولا "سيقانه".
(لا فرق بين سياقه و"سيقانه"، ما دام كلاهما أمر "شخصي" أولهما مرتبط بالإيمان والثاني مرتبط بوظيفة عضوية!؟)

(03-05-2010, 05:31 PM)بهجت كتب:  إنني يا سادة أتحاشى المشاركة في مثل هذه الحوارات الحساسة و التي أمتلك رؤية معقدة و مؤسسة حيالها ، و أكتفي بطرحها كقضايا جزئية منفصلة في موضوعات مستقلة ،و أعتقد أني حررت الكثير منها .. العلمانية و الليبرالية و الموقف من الدين و الديمقراطية ... الخ ، لهذا لن أتوغل كثيرا الان .
الخ ........
ما علاقة هذه العادات أو الصفات الشخصية بـ"نقد الموضوع" !؟.. (هل أنت في حملة انتخابية !؟..)


(03-05-2010, 05:31 PM)بهجت كتب:  يبقى نصيحة لصديقي إبراهيم من رجل مجرب ، عندما تتحدث عن الإسلام مستقبلآ إنس يسوع قليلآ ..
أين ورد ذكر لـ"يسوعك" هذا في الموضوع ؟..
ثم؛ ألا تتساوى هذه "النصيحة" مع النصيحة التي قد يوجهها لك ابراهيم، أو سواه، والقائلة: " تبقى نصيحة لصديقي بهجت من رجل مجرب ، عندما تتحدث عن الإسلام مستقبلآ إنس العلمانية قليلآ .. "؟؟
هات الجمل إذا ... 24


(03-05-2010, 05:31 PM)بهجت كتب:  أتمنى من يفكر في التعليق على مداخلتي مشكورا بالطبع ، ألا يتسرع بالرد و ألا يكون مشغولآ بتقشير البطاطس !، فرائحة البطاطس المقلية تفضحها الحروف المرتبكة المنسوجة بعشوائية ..
أتمنى، يا زميل، ألا تكون أنت من "قشـّر البطاطس" في مطبخك الشخصي، والشخصاني.
إضافة إلى أنك لم تكتب كلمة واحد في "نقد" الموضوع، بل "تأستذت" على الكاتب والقارئ أجمعين وأنت "تتسكع" على هامش الموضوع، فقد سمحت لنفسك أن تطرح رؤيتك الخاصة و"التوتاليتارية" لما يـُسمح، ولا يـُسمح، بكتابته في المنتدى، بحجة أن ما يـُكتب يجب أن يتوجه، حصرا، إلى كتاب النادي الذين هم "نوع خاص" من البشر "يتلاقحون" فيما بينهم في "غيتو" اسمه نادي الفكر العربي !!..
(ربما كان عليك أن تتذكر، أن عدد زوار أي موضوع يزيد كثيرا عن عدد هؤلاء الكتاب. )
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