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نادي الفكر العربي / الســـــــــاحات الاختصاصيـــــة / الحوار الديني v / بولس رسول الله .. هكذا قال الاسلام ..!!!!

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المشاركات: 613
الانضمام: Mar 2004
مشاركة: #59
بولس رسول الله .. هكذا قال الاسلام ..!!!!

سلام المسيح رب المجد ..

الزميل الصفي .. يدعو احد شيوخ الاسلام والعلماء .. بانه لا يفهم !!

وينسبه لنا ! بقوله : " مفتيك " !!؟؟؟؟

ونحن منه براء .. :saint:

اقتباس :
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ثانيا: قل ت لمفتيك بان الصورة لا تعني الفوتوجراف Photograph و لا تعني الرسم Painting و انما المقصودبالتصوير هو التجسيم Sclupture.

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" مفتيك " !!:confused:

هكذا بكل استهتار بالعلماء .. الم اقل لكم انه " قراني " !!! :9:

ويدعي العلم اكثر من غيره من علماء الاسلام مع انه اعترف في اولاً :
" انه ليس من شيوخ العلم " !!

فهو يدعي بان الصور المذكورة في احاديث محمد لا تعني " الفوتجراف " انما التجسيم اي التماثيل !!!؟؟؟؟؟:aplaudit:

سبحان الله !

يتلاعب بكل شيئ .. ويفصل كل شيئ على مزاجه الخاص .. :flam::baby:

الصورة في - تفسيره الخاص - هي تمثال مجسم !!؟؟؟:what:

لنقرأ ما يسقط زعمه الفطير :

سنن الترمذي - اللباس عن رسول الله

ما جاء في الصورة
‏
‏حدثنا ‏ ‏أحمد بن منيع ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏روح بن عبادة ‏ ‏حدثنا ‏ ‏ابن جريج ‏ ‏أخبرني ‏ ‏أبو الزبير ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏جابر ‏ ‏قال ‏
‏نهى رسول الله ‏ ‏صلى الله عليه وسلم ‏ ‏عن الصورة في البيت ونهى أن يصنع ذلك ‏
‏قال ‏ ‏وفي ‏ ‏الباب ‏ ‏عن ‏ ‏علي ‏ ‏وأبي طلحة ‏ ‏وعائشة ‏ ‏وأبي هريرة ‏ ‏وأبي أيوب ‏ ‏قال ‏ ‏أبو عيسى ‏ ‏حديث ‏ ‏جابر ‏ ‏حديث حسن صحيح ‏

لنقرأ الان شرح الحديث ولننتبه ما المقصود بعبارة " صورة " ..

تحفة الأحوذي بشرح جامع الترمذي‏
‏قوله : ( نهى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عن الصورة في البيت ) ‏
‏أي عن اتخاذها وإدخالها فيه لأن الملائكة لا تدخل بيتا فيه كلب ولا تصاوير كما في حديث أبي طلحة عند الشيخين , والمراد بالبيت المكان الذي يستقر فيه الشخص سواء كان بناء أو خيمة أم غير ذلك . قال النووي في شرح مسلم : قاله أصحابنا وغيرهم من العلماء : تصوير صورة الحيوان حرام شديد التحريم وهو من الكبائر لأنه متوعد عليه بهذا الوعيد الشديد المذكور في الأحاديث , وسواء صنعه لما يمتهن أو لغيره فصنعته حرام بكل حال لأن فيه مضاهاة بخلق الله تعالى , وسواء ما كان في ثوب أو بساط أو درهم أو دينار أو فلس أو إناء أو حائط أو غيرها :9:
وقال بعض السلف : إنما ينهى عما كان له ظل ولا بأس بالصور التي ليس لها ظل , وهذا مذهب باطل وليس لصورته ظل مع باقي الأحاديث المطلقة في كل صورة

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:o:25:

انتبهتم !!

الصور محرمة .. سواء التي كانت :

" وسواء ما كان في ثوب أو بساط أو درهم أو دينار أو فلس أو إناء أو حائط أو غيرها " !!!!

فهل هذه الصور تعد تماثيل !!!؟؟؟؟

هل صورة منقوشة على " ثوب " تعد تمثالاً مجسماً في نظرك يا علامة ؟؟!!!!

او مرسومة على " بساط " تعد تماثيل واصناماً ..؟؟؟!!!!

وهل " الستر " الذي كان عليه الصورة وانكره محمد كان " تمثالاً " مجسماً ..؟؟؟؟!!!!

ففوق كل ذي علم " الصفي " !!!:lol:

لنقرأ :

اقتباس :
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فهو لا يقصد الفوتوجراف او الرسم فهي ليست تماثيل .
و التحريم للتصوير الذي ورد في الحيث مقصود به التماثيل و الاصنامالتي كان يعبدها المشركون و ايضا بعض (اللا عقلاء) في الالفية الثالثة.
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هكذا يحكم وبكل اندفاع .. بينما جاء في تفسير الحديث :

" وبمعناه قال جماهير العلماء من الصحابة والتابعين ومن بعدهم وهو مذهب الثوري ومالك وأبي حنيفة وغيرهم " !!!!

كل هؤلاء لم يدركوا معنى قول محمد
" صورة " ..!!؟؟؟؟:?:

الى ان ظهر في " الالفية الثالثة " احد العوام مدعياً بانها تعني " تمثال مجسم " ..!؟؟؟:o

:nocomment:

ما اصعب خوض المعارك وحيداً يا عزيزي ..:mad2::eek:

تحياتي الخالصة الدعاء لك ..:9:


اعتذر عن هذه التفريعة الاضطرارية عزيزي القارئ ..

ولنواصل فيما بعد مناقشاتنا حول الموضوع الاصلي ..

فالى اللقاء :bye:

البابلي
07-31-2004, 05:23 AM
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